Stop defeatism

Gypsy · 12-18-2005, 20:27

Thought the President gave a good speech tonight; very determined, direct and to the point.

Anyone else?

**The Reaper** · 12-18-2005, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Gypsy

Thought the President gave a good speech tonight; very determined, direct and to the point.

Anyone else?

Concur.

Better late than never.

Condi looked good on the morning shows as well.

TR

longrange1947 · 12-18-2005, 20:39

I thought it was a very good to the point speech. However, I wish he had not used the word "defeatism". I am sure it will be picked up just as "crusade" was picked up and the entire message will be lost.

The word "Defeatism" has been used by all the best dictatorial powers.

Just my thoughts, anyone else?

Gypsy · 12-18-2005, 20:43

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Concur.

Better late than never.

Condi looked good on the morning shows as well.

TR

I missed her unfortunately.

Hope the President will continue to give his addresses from various locales as he has done the past several days, wish he had done so from the beginning.

Roycroft201 · 12-18-2005, 21:03

I, too, thought it was a good, strong speech. He addressed every issue head on that has been fodder for the talking heads for quite some time and his responses were rock solid. I didn't sense an effort to try to do any 'spin' and, in my view, he came across stronger than in past speeches.

President Bush's personality doesn't translate well on television at times, but whoever helped prepare him for this prime time address did a good job, imo.

Roycroft201

Gypsy · 12-18-2005, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Roycroft201

President Bush's personality doesn't translate well on television at times, but whoever helped prepare him for this prime time address did a good job, imo.

Roycroft201

For the most part I think he does much better in live audience speeches, he strikes me as more relaxed in those settings.

Goggles Pizano · 12-19-2005, 07:19

I thought it was a great speech from someone who understands his audience. The three points of his plan for the war were only vague to those who prefer to delve into detail. For that detail they can do their own research. As for the defeatism comment LR I thought it was apropos (def. Acceptance or resignation to the prospect of defeat) and defines the current Democrat argument! In fact a Democrat strategist, just minutes after the President spoke, made the comment "there is no plan". Huh???

For whatever reason they blind themselves with thier hatred of POTUS thereby stifling honest debate, and that is a shame.

longrange1947 · 12-19-2005, 09:08

Not saying that defeatism was not apropos, just stating that the word will and has been picked up on. It will be used to diminish the message and the intent of the message.

Gypsy · 12-19-2005, 18:22

But ultimately wasn't the message that things are, for the most part, going well in Iraq and the Dems with their pull-em-out-now whining *is* defeatist and not helping our Military's efforts or our Country? It strikes me that the POTUS is calling a spade a spade, perhaps I'm too naive on this.

I agree some of those folks will pick out a word and chew it to death...but I've yet to hear a viable plan from the left other than retreat. So, if the shoe fits...

longrange1947 · 12-19-2005, 23:00

The messge comes through to us but I have learned that the "normal citizen" only listens to loudest A hole and his spin.

I am saying that the dems are great at obscuration, nothing else but they have that down pat. They have no plan and they do not have an answer. Their only recourse is to obscure the message with BS. They will tempest in a teapot a word that has negative connotation due to its use by the Nazis, Stalin, and every other two bit dictator as a reason to squelch dissent. This is seen in their BS about, "yes I was briefed but I complained", crap over the NSA and their monitoring of overseas contacts with known terrorists and “US citizens” here in the US.

I am not trying to diminish his speech, only wish he had used a different word. The Dems have already picked up on the word and have implied evil from it.

Goggles Pizano · 12-20-2005, 07:25

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

I am not trying to diminish his speech, only wish he had used a different word. The Dems have already picked up on the word and have implied evil from it.

The Dems will imply any verbage as "evil" that is truth and exposes their hypocrisy.

So what synonym of defeatism would you have used that the Libs and Dems would not have assaulted? For the record I agree with your point I just enjoyed that POTUS called them out (finally) on national television and now they have red faces, much to my delight.

dennisw · 12-20-2005, 10:06

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They have no plan

No kidding! Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

Gypsy · 12-20-2005, 19:24

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

The messge comes through to us but I have learned that the "normal citizen" only listens to loudest A hole and his spin.

Roger that, now I understand. Ah yes, can't forget the sheeple.