10-31-2005, 09:07
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Prep & Waiting Time With a Conventional Unit
Does anyone know what the general consensus is for an individual who shows up at a unit (say the 82nd) and immediately puts in for SFAS? I know the standard line is that the unit doesn't have to give you any extra time to train, but do so some units work with you at all ? Is it best to put in for SFAS without telling anyone in your unit and then train when time avails itself? What about chain of command? I've heard the usual scare tactics how the chain doesn't like soldier showing up and trying to leave and to expect extra duty and details as a result. What did most of ya'll do at your unit from the time you put in until the time you left?
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10-31-2005, 10:02
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Originally Posted by musashi
Does anyone know what the general consensus is for an individual who shows up at a unit (say the 82nd) and immediately puts in for SFAS? I know the standard line is that the unit doesn't have to give you any extra time to train, but do so some units work with you at all ? Is it best to put in for SFAS without telling anyone in your unit and then train when time avails itself? What about chain of command? I've heard the usual scare tactics how the chain doesn't like soldier showing up and trying to leave and to expect extra duty and details as a result. What did most of ya'll do at your unit from the time you put in until the time you left?
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I would expect that the 1SG and Commander (down to your Team Leader) would immediately mark you as a get-over and non-team player, and look to put you on every shitty little detail that comes up.
You would have to fulfil your stabilization requirement, if any, and any scheduled deployments to the Box before being allowed to attend the SFQC.
You would have to be an E-4 before applying for SFAS.
There is no way that a busy unit like the 82nd is going to give you any time off to prepare for SF. In fact, they have a rep for being among the most resentful of their soldiers attending SF training. Students from the Deuce have reported being threatened with UCMJ, removed from leadership positions, rendered adverse efficiency reports, removal from promotion board lists, given unpleasant additional duties, unnecessary deployments, verbal warnings and threats, lost 4187s, denied orders, no free time for individual PT, denial of leave to prepare themselves, and a host of other complaints.
You cannot apply for SFAS without the knowledge of your chain of command. A 4187 is required, which everyone in the chain must see (not approve). As soon as you submit it, you are a marked man.
I would do a year or two in the unit establishing myself as a quiet, solid trooper while secretly preparing myself, then work with a recruiter to cut the time from application to training as close as possible. I would then hand carry my 4187 through with NOMEX and KEVLAR underwear on. Finally, I would know that I had burned a bridge, and keep that close to the front of my mind at SFAS.
Good luck.
TR
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11-01-2005, 21:24
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If one were to enlist as a Psyops Specialist and request Bragg as choice of duty would one automatically end up at the 82nd? Is there a unit there just for Psyops/CA stuff that would be more open to said soldier arriving at unit and then requesting SFAS and hence being more open to the idea of said soldier training and getting ready for SFAS?
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11-01-2005, 21:56
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If one were to enlist as a Psyops Specialist and request Bragg as choice of duty would one automatically end up at the 82nd? Is there a unit there just for Psyops/CA stuff that would be more open to said soldier arriving at unit and then requesting SFAS and hence being more open to the idea of said soldier training and getting ready for SFAS?
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You need to do some more research.
TR
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11-01-2005, 22:11
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I think I found my answer. TR, are you refering to the 96th?
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11-01-2005, 22:47
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I think I found my answer. TR, are you refering to the 96th?
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Among others.
Keep looking.
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