A Better Definition of WMD

[QRQ 30]

I was watching the POTUS address the UN this morning and he mentioned "Weapons of Mass Murder".

I am so glad he got away from the term "Mass Destruction". I never thought that the term was appropriate. The more insidious weapons are chemical and biological which kill without destroying structures or equipment. I always thought that "WMD" were better defined as "Weapons of Mass Death".

I hope it sticks.

Another interesting thing he mentioned was that more than 150 nations have sent aid to the Katrina AO. That's considerably more than the conservative media reported.

[Airbornelawyer]

Originally Posted by QRQ 30

I was watching the POTUS address the UN this morning and he mentioned "Weapons of Mass Murder".

I am so glad he got away from the term "Mass Destruction". I never thought that the term was appropriate. The more insidious weapons are chemical and biological which kill without destroying structures or equipment. I always thought that "WMD" were better defined as "Weapons of Mass Death".

I hope it sticks.

Another interesting thing he mentioned was that more than 150 nations have sent aid to the Katrina AO. That's considerably more than the conservative media reported.

He used both terms:

And the world's free nations are determined to stop the terrorists and their allies from acquiring the terrible weapons that would allow them to kill on a scale equal to their hatred. For that reason, more than 60 countries are supporting the Proliferation Security Initiative to intercept shipments of weapons of mass destruction on land, on sea, and in air. The terrorists must know that wherever they go, they cannot escape justice.

We must send a clear message to the rulers of outlaw regimes that sponsor terror and pursue weapons of mass murder: You will not be allowed to threaten the peace and stability of the world.

and from his remarks to the Security Council:

Each of us must act, consistent with past Security Council resolutions, to freeze terrorists' assets; to deny terrorists freedom of movement by using effective border controls and secure travel documents; to prevent terrorists from acquiring weapons, including weapons of mass destruction.

By the way, according to the transcript it was 115 countries, not 150.

And may I ask why the qualifier "conservative"? Have you seen any media report on international support with any great detail? Some reporters treated the arrival of Mexican forces as a cute human interest story ("first Mexican troops on US soil since the Mexican-American War"), but I don't see many news reports on the Dutch frigate that was operating off the Louisiana coast, the French navy EOD divers, the Luftwaffe flights bringing in German MREs ("Mmm, liverwurst!"), etc.

[Sigi]

WMD always gets my attention.


Tough sonofabitches to find. Congress and the President have done a very poor job finding them so far.

So we "know" there is a great probability that WMD are on our soil, and that our borders are promoting the transportation of these weapons.

What the hell has the President done to make me safer in regards to WMD being transported here???

What has Congress done???

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sigi

WMD always gets my attention.


Tough sonofabitches to find. Congress and the President have done a very poor job finding them so far.

So we "know" there is a great probability that WMD are on our soil, and that our borders are promoting the transportation of these weapons.

What the hell has the President done to make me safer in regards to WMD being transported here???

What has Congress done???

Funny, I have not seen any WMDs employed here in the US since the POTUS took office. Did I miss something?

Do you have any idea what a monumental task this is?

Are you privy to everything that the POTUS has done?

I think that you are way out of line on this.

TR

[QRQ 30]

Sigi and all: This is a huge country with vast resources. Everything needed to produce vastly destructive weapons are readily available as well as the expertise to produce them. There is no need to import them. I would think that the OC and the first WTC bombing would have brought that home. Material needed for a dirty bomb is also available. Hopefully things have changed but low grade nuclear material used in the medical field was poorly secured the last I heard.

At most, only experts in the field need to be imported and even that isn't necessary.

If you have a good method of securing 5000 miles of land borders and a like amount of coastline please publish it.

As SFRadionman's signature says: criticism is only constructive if a solution is offered.

[casey]

QUOTE=Sigi]WMD always gets my attention.

Tough sonofabitches to find. Congress and the President have done a very poor job finding them so far.

So we "know" there is a great probability that WMD are on our soil, and that our borders are promoting the transportation of these weapons.

What the hell has the President done to make me safer in regards to WMD being transported here???

What has Congress done???[/QUOTE]




WMD's are supposed to do just that - get your attention. Some federal agencies have lived since 911 off the fear and prospect of a "WMD" being deployed here in the US. All you here about is the threat of sarin, VX, GB etc being utilized. In my opinion, causing angst, anxiety, and panic within a population are huge victorys within themselves.

But OK, tell me the difference between a tanker of chlorine flipping over on a major Interstate and the same tanker being initiated by an IED on the Interstate. The answer is nothing is different, they are both treated first and formost for what they are, a haz-mat incident, and remain so until under control. And just as haz mats that occur every day, this will be handled by competent -professional fire fighters and law enforcement. The post balst, ensuing investigation and mass media attention will be the only thing that seperates both these incidents.

Tell me how many times have you've heard about an anthrax or a botulism scare here in the US? Again, panic and hand wringing abound and the media is johnny on the spot with concern for those who could be affected. Serious issues no doubt, but what is the catalyst for the scare, why the immediate response by local, state, & federal agencies, how long is the incubation period for each?
A true attack with a bio will be found by only one source - the medical profession. Yet, have you taken the time and wondered aloud to yourself.... Hey, how did the medical profession detect, and jump on SARS and Monkeypox sooooo fast, its as if they were monitoring on a National level for some strange diseases... nawww probably just got lucky.

WMD's transported here? transported here?? Everything needed for a true WMD is located in your local hardware store ! Follow the current trends - you know Madrid, London, Chechnya, Iraq etc..... The only thing transported here on a regular basis is the ideology (and your intended politically correct appeasment) of those that intend your death. (HINT - Sometimes called the religion of peace - rhymes with bilsam) Again, if your looking for the bomb (or WMD) you will find it - during the consequence manegement phase of your clean up operation. The key here is to remain proactive an focused on what the true threat is - the bombers (or like ilk).

So if I may..... stop regurgitating the sniveling battle cry of those potted plants who fail to educate themselves on just who you are at war with, scheech " what is the President doing", and propagate every gloom and doom scenario imaginable. Instead, I humbly suggest you emulate your "Fighting Iish" avatar and get involved.

Failing the latter option, I would be happy to pay for someone to water you twice a day, along with all the others on my list.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Sigi

WMD always gets my attention.


Tough sonofabitches to find. Congress and the President have done a very poor job finding them so far.

So we "know" there is a great probability that WMD are on our soil, and that our borders are promoting the transportation of these weapons.

What the hell has the President done to make me safer in regards to WMD being transported here???

What has Congress done???

What have you done for your country?

[pulque]

Originally Posted by QRQ 30

I was watching the POTUS address the UN this morning and he mentioned "Weapons of Mass Murder".

I am so glad he got away from the term "Mass Destruction". I never thought that the term was appropriate. The more insidious weapons are chemical and biological which kill without destroying structures or equipment. I always thought that "WMD" were better defined as "Weapons of Mass Death".

I hope it sticks.

I'm partial to the term Weapons of Mass Casualties for BW. I think BW typically gets a smaller budget than Nuclear.. maybe thats why it dosn't get its own terminology. I could be wrong.

an interesting read is the State Department's 2005 Adherence to and Compliance with Arms Control, Nonproliferation, and Disarmament Agreements and Commitments

regarding readiness, the below may be of interest

Project BioShield Act of 2004

President's Initiative on Countering Bioterrorism

[Detcord]

Just curious:

We know what our enemy looks like, what age range they fall into, their religion, what countries they come from, what groups they belong to, etc.

Would it be a good idea to restrict all visas to the U.S. from these countries? Would it be a good idea to round up everyone here on a visa fitting that profile and deport them? If innocent people are effected, too bad.

the 9-11 terrorists were here on visas.

Oh wait - if they had been deported, 9-11 wouldn't have happened right???

Not really sure what a 25 yr old graduate student or a 40 yr old chemist who are both Muslim and hate the U.S. contribute to our society...

Guess we should just wait and see if they "set something off" right??? Wouldn't want to trample on anyone's "rights," after all.

Have they ever found a 70 yr old grandma with a shoeful of C4 at the
airport yet???

[QRQ 30]

Originally Posted by Detcord

Just curious:

We know what our enemy looks like, what age range they fall into, their religion, what countries they come from, what groups they belong to, etc.

Would it be a good idea to restrict all visas to the U.S. from these countries? Would it be a good idea to round up everyone here on a visa fitting that profile and deport them? If innocent people are effected, too bad.

the 9-11 terrorists were here on visas.

Oh wait - if they had been deported, 9-11 wouldn't have happened right???

Not really sure what a 25 yr old graduate student or a 40 yr old chemist who are both Muslim and hate the U.S. contribute to our society...

Guess we should just wait and see if they "set something off" right??? Wouldn't want to trample on anyone's "rights," after all.

Have they ever found a 70 yr old grandma with a shoeful of C4 at the
airport yet???

WOW where to start?
Our enemies are those who want to bring down what this country stands for. They come in all shapes and colors. Some come from abroad and some are born and raised right here in the U.S.

"Liberty and justice for all" is one of those principles.

Sadahm had a real stable regime. Is that what you want.

I'm sorry but to turn your signature: The ends don't justify the means.

[casey]

Originally Posted by Detcord

Just curious:

We know what our enemy looks like, what age range they fall into, their religion, what countries they come from, what groups they belong to, etc.

Looking for only 23 year old middle eastern men here in the US is fighting the last war, and will get you zapped again.

In late 2004 who blew up 2 airliners in Russia, a subway stop, and fought at Belsan, all within a few weeks of each other. Answer - chechen white females (two with dyed blonde hair)

Germaine Lindsay - Jamacian born black London bomber

Paul Holland (aka Jack Roche) Australian 40+ white male and al queda member captured during preoperational homicide bomber planning set to strike Israeli Embassy and Consulate in Aussieland

Wafa Samir Ibrahim al bass - deformed palestinian female who had passed thru the Erez checkpoint multiple times for treatment of her burns, attempted to pass thru said checkpoint to use an underwear bomb to blow up the same hospital

Read about the homegrown black converts in LA within the past few weeks and why they were doing stickups for allah.........

In my opinion, immigration is one of the keys to jihad, but overlooking them that are here already is a huge mistake.

Remember, a spectacular attack = spectacular media attention and support of like ilk.

[jbour13]

Originally Posted by QRQ 30

WOW where to start?
Our enemies are those who want to bring down what this country stands for. They come in all shapes and colors. Some come from abroad and some are born and raised right here in the U.S.

"Liberty and justice for all" is one of those principles.

Sadahm had a real stable regime. Is that what you want.

I'm sorry but to turn your signature: The ends don't justify the means.

I agree with you wholly Terry

There are those that have been on the violent overthrow of the US kick long before the Islamic Radicals have been.

But in more recent times it seems we have our own brand of islamic jihadist that is a homegrown threat with citizenship rights by birth.

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/gadahn.htm

How would you treat the 100's or 1000's of Adam's that have a birthright that have yet to provide their brand of disliking for the US?

As far as the 70 year old grandma with C4 in the shoe. Never underestimate an angry persons capabilities or intent. She may have a bad day and lose it and decide to take as many with her as possible. And she may be a Christian, Baptist, Jewish, or Atheist. It can happen.

For the sake of sanity try not to generalize on the intent of a few as the view of the masses.

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by Detcord

Just curious:

We know what our enemy looks like, what age range they fall into, their religion, what countries they come from, what groups they belong to, etc.

Where exactly in your threat matrix would the likes of John Wlaker Lindh, Richard Reid and Jose Padillia fallen? How can one know for sure if a person is Muslim if that person choses to dress and act in a western manner especially if they aren't of middle eastern descent?

What do we do in the case of female terrorists or children? It's not like Hamas has never used either to kill.

While banning all middle eastern men between the ages of 18-50 might make you feel better it won't make any difference. Just consider how easy it is to enter the country illegally from Mexico and Canada and just how easy it is for a terrorist to enter either country. Your plan seems an aweful lot like whistling as you walk past a graveyard.

[Detcord]

So far, deformed Palestinian women, Chechen white females (two with dyed blonde hair) 40 y.o. Aussies, black Jamacans, etc., have NOT murdered Americans in terrorist acts on our own soil. Living in the L. A. area, I'm familiar with the black Muslim thing too.

Oh yeah, what about Adam Pearlman/Gadahn??? He's the guy who converted to Islam in a Garden Grove mosque (7 miles from my house). He's the jackass on the latest Al Qaeda video saying "the streets of America will run red with blood."

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/gadahn.htm

More mosques anyone???

If your religion preaches death and violence, your "religion" is not valid and is nothing more than a street gang. Funny, all gangsters and Muslims talk about is wanting "respect," yet they do nothing to earn it, since they are too busy causing fear and panic in people's everyday lives from the violence.

John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid and Jose Padillia are all what sex, age, and religion??? Let's see: They are Muslim, male, and between 20 and 40.

The isolated examples you guys are talking about just prove my point further. You can lay down and "take it" or you can be proactive. I prefer to be "proactive."

Anybody see any commonalities???

[Huey14]

What about Americans killing Americans?

Those guys out in the middle of the forest aren't just pretending to fight the US government and the Jews you know. They're Christian fundys BTW.

If you focus on one particular group of people, those people will get wise and use people from another group. Then you're fucked.