08-29-2005, 20:10
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Joint Combat Pistol
I found this posted on the 1911 forum. I don't know if it is old news to you guys but I thought it was interesting.
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General Information
Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
Solicitation Number: H92222-05-R-0017
Posted Date: Aug 26, 2005
Original Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Current Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Original Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
Current Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing
Contracting Office Address
Other Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill AFB, FL, 33621-5323
Description
The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP requirement.
The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance of the solicitation.
Two configurations of the pistol will be required.
One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety.
The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning Kit; and Operator's Manual.
The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders.
The contract period of performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an additional Five (5) years.
The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration; 649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits; Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data.
Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination.
The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of 24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the closing date stated in the solicitation.
The 24-each product sample from the successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each.
Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and other than the highest technically rated offeror.
Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors upon request and at the offeror's expense.
The Government cannot guarantee the condition of the product samples after testing.
All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by the agency. The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation.
Notifications, Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS. Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at john.pfender@navy.mil.
Point of Contact
Tina Lopez, Contract Specialist, Phone 813 828 7063, Fax 813 828 7504, Email lopezt@socom.mil - Susan Griffin, Contracting Officer, Phone 813-828-7411, Fax 813-828-7504, Email griffi1@socom.mil
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08-29-2005, 20:31
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One configuration will have no external safety
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Mmmm - Tupperware?
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08-29-2005, 20:40
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Mmmm - Tupperware?
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Both could be Tupperware. The G21 would fit the no external safety and the USP would fit the external safety. I guess TS would be a happy man if the USP was selected. 
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08-30-2005, 09:54
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Both could be Tupperware. The G21 would fit the no external safety and the USP would fit the external safety. I guess TS would be a happy man if the USP was selected. |
There are HK models without external safety levers.
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12-05-2005, 14:36
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12-05-2005, 15:43
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This is supposedly a pic of the HK45, which is their entry into the JCP competition. I'm hoping it wins. 
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...-HK45plain.jpg
I'll be interested to see what the differences are with the new, yet to be released HK P3000.
http://hkpro.com/p3000.htm
It says 9mm in the pics at a show in France, but word is they'll offer it in the main 3 calibers.
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12-05-2005, 16:41
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Hmmmm, H&K 416, 417, and P3000. Could be interesting. 
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12-05-2005, 16:59
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Hmmmm, H&K 416, 417, and P3000. Could be interesting. |
Do We detect a (deserved) note of cynicism?  At this point I'd call it realism. Maybe whatever it turns out to be will get produced in the Colombus GA plant they've been touting. Though I'm not holding my breath on that either. Peregrino
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12-05-2005, 17:32
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Do We detect a (deserved) note of cynicism? At this point I'd call it realism. Peregrino |
Realism it is, they are beating the crap out of our gun makers, just as our car makers are getting the crap beat out of them. If our guys don't come up with new and innovative then they will go the way of the Dodo and that scares the crap out of me.
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Maybe whatever it turns out to be will get produced in the Colombus GA plant they've been touting. Though I'm not holding my breath on that either.
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That would be the agreement I do believe. Good old made in th US of A.
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12-05-2005, 17:35
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They are government subsidized makers, own most of the US gunmakers, we no longer develop new small arms in military arsenals, and they are based in countries without our litigious legal system.
How can we compete?
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12-05-2005, 17:57
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We can't and that is what scares the crap out of me.
Until idiots realize that with thier political witch hunts, they are slowly turning us into a society that can not arm themselves for a conflict without outside help, we will continue down this path. What really pisses me is that it is political and not many of the "useful fools" really believe in the crap that they spew. They just say it to "capture" the idiot crowd. Look at Waxman's site and his anti gun crap and then realize that part of Waxman's staff are avid shooters at Perry. Something that makes you go Hmmmmm.
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12-05-2005, 20:18
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Hmmmm, H&K 416, 417, and P3000. Could be interesting. |
Thread Hijack: That pic on your avatar looks like a mountain in Nevada where my detachment, and a group of Seals practiced high angle long range shooting. Am I close? Is there a huge lake nearby?
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12-05-2005, 21:19
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Thread Hijack: That pic on your avatar looks like a mountain in Nevada where my detachment, and a group of Seals practiced high angle long range shooting. Am I close? Is there a huge lake nearby?
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Yes, it is Hawthorne, rocket mountain to be exact. We were there doing high angle shooting, testing some PDA programs, and generally having fun. I was shooting at the Destoyer Turret at the right limit.
Fun place and very easy to train. Low maintenance and no BS when opening and closing a range or getting ammo. Highly recommend it as a training site for not just High angle but a multitude of training. They are very flexible and open to just about anything that is reasonably safe.
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12-06-2005, 15:35
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What do you think of this point? Doesn't make much sense to me.
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3.7.6. Weapon Shot Counter. The JCP should have a weapon shot counter to record shots fired (O). The shot counter, if provided, shall have a data collection device that connects the shot counter to a computer. The shot counter, if provided, shall have a Microsoft compatible software program that works in conjunction with the shot counter and the data collection device to allow the weapon data to be downloaded and stored on a computer. The shot counter, if provided, shall not interfere with any operations of the JCP.
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12-06-2005, 19:08
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The idea is sound, keep a round count on the weapon. The execution is a techie dream and an operational nightmare. What in the heck am I going to do with a computer chip in the weapon? Treat it gently so as not to break it, not freeze it? Why not just do what is supposed to be done and have the arms room guy ask on turn in, "rounds fired?".
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