McCann or MARS rail for PVS22

brianksain · 08-17-2005, 12:24

Any of you fellas have any comments good or bad about these SWS rail systems?

The following comments are obvious observations to anyone that has ever seen or used them.

However, I was curious if any of you had any applicable comments before making an agency purchase that I will only have one shot at.

McCann seems heavy and awkward but is solid. One may or may not need the side rails however ... and they are non-removeable.

MARS has removable side rails but is it proven yet? Sturdy?

Designed / built by Marty Bordsen of Badger Ordnance so it should be GTG. Just don't know anyone using them yet extensively.

BK

longrange1947 · 08-17-2005, 14:59

Brian, how soon do you need to make the decision. We are just getting ready to look at the MARS but have no experience right now.

The McCann works but is high and the original does not have any cant you will need the shims for it to work with the M3LR style scope. I feel that the McCann is too high on the receiver and this has a negative effect. I do not know how hight he MARS sets so will have to wait before passing judgement on that one.

There is another choice but I need to get better info on that one before I broach that mount to you. If you can hold off a bit I will let you know how I feel about the systems.

Rick

Edited to add that I like the idea of being able to mount the wings in different locations for the attachments but do not know yet how solid they are.

brianksain · 08-17-2005, 15:23

It can wait a while.

I have been assured that I will have 4 UNS / (maybe MUNS) coming via Homeland Security Buffer Zone monies for my guys. They are badly needed.

I will believe it when they are sitting on my guys sticks.

Someone ??? Can't remember who ... said the MARS was a tad flexible whereas the McCann is not. I hate to even say that as I have no personal knowledge in that regard and Marty's product may simply rock the house. His stuff usually does.

May have been the guys at Omar McCall Assoc. speaking of that.

The MARS is a lot sleeker design and I saw them on Marty's bench when they were newly born (last Sept.)

Remington MPD had them out next to our booth at SHOT SHOW this year as well. A whole case of them ... just sitting there ... but I digress.

They look like they will be the heat but you know how it goes ...

Thanks for the response.

BK

longrange1947 · 08-17-2005, 15:34

Actually, the MARS is way more flexible then the McCann. The wings on the McCann is fixed, and the right side is next to the ejection port. This will be a problem when mounting a fixture, it can interfer with the ejection port. Not speculation, fact. With the moveable wings the MARS gets high points, question, how stable, that is the point we need to look at.

The MUNS may be a bit big and heavy for your needs and I would look at the DUNS if you can hold off a bit on that purchase.

Edited due to really lousy typing.

brianksain · 08-17-2005, 15:39

Roger that.

When I said flexible, I actually meant it literally.

As in the MARS is not as rigid a fixture as the McCann. Dunno about that though. Can't imagine Marty not thinking that one through.

We are shooting AIs and they are heavy enough.

We do not really need built in MOA. Lighter and sleeker is better for us LE guys.

Copy DUNS.

longrange1947 · 08-17-2005, 15:48

Ah yes, flexing as in shaking and waving.

Again, do not know. Will see what happens. I have not really looked at it close up yet but will let you know what a 300 Win Mag does to the sucker.

brianksain · 08-17-2005, 15:50

Roger.

BK

longrange1947 · 08-28-2005, 06:23

Brian, we are not getting any indication of flexing so far. We have over 200 rounds on the system and it is 300 win mag.

Will update as more rounds are fired.

longrange1947 · 09-23-2005, 07:36

They now have over 500 rounds and still no idication of flexing. I will call BS on McCann on that one.

How are you doing Brian? Hope all is well and keep your head down man.

coltgunner · 10-03-2005, 17:35

If you are shooting an AI, particularly and AI AWP in .308 you may want to check out a mount for the UNS made by Colt Canada, formerly Diemaco. It is very similar to the mount used by the German Army for their night vision set up. It keeps the existing day optics in a low profile and cants the UNS to bring it as low as possible.
This particular mount was made for a large Canadian police force and has been in service for over 2 years with a few thousand rounds downrange. It performs very well. The forestock of the AI can also be mounted with addition rails for other accessories. The mount was also picked up by the UAE.
The McCann mount was found to be unacceptable due to the amount the day optics were raised, what it did to the CG of the system, and the weight/forces being exerted on the mount. The Schmidt and Bender scope is heavy to start with.
If you need a contact name I can give you one.

brianksain · 10-04-2005, 05:10

Yeah man sure. Working a hurricane right now and am in the EOC but when this mess is over I will check into it.

Sold my AW but still have an AE which has a tubular receiver ala Remington. Marty Bordsen at Badger Ordnance is a pal and would probably build me whatever I asked him to if he could spec it out.

Dude is a wizard.

Best,

BK

longrange1947 · 10-04-2005, 12:19

Coltgunner - PM me contact info and a web site if you have one.

I'm also looking at Mark LaRue's UNS mount. Trying to get as much info as possible.

**The Reaper** · 10-05-2005, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianksain

Yeah man sure. Working a hurricane right now and am in the EOC but when this mess is over I will check into it.

Sold my AW but still have an AE which has a tubular receiver ala Remington. Marty Bordsen at Badger Ordnance is a pal and would probably build me whatever I asked him to if he could spec it out.

Dude is a wizard.

Best,

BK

BK:

Didn't know that Marty built rifles, I thought that he left that to George and his crew?

TR

brianksain · 10-06-2005, 06:13

I was actually speaking to the fact that Marty would build me a MARS rail (Or anything else for that matter) for my Accuracy International AE if I asked him to.

Marty Bordsen is a master machinist / 'smith and can build a rifle or anything else ... if he wants to.

However, you are correct in that he leaves most of the gun plumbing to GAP.

I was teaching an Advanced LEO sniper class in MO. two weeks ago and was supposed to spend a couple of nights at his house on the back end of the trip. I even offered to sweep the floor in the shop ... and then Miss RITA bore sighted my place and I had to bail.

If you have not already but ever get a chance to ... go by for a visit. Great people.

BK