07-01-2005, 20:34
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Reverse War Game
Hey Kids,
Please indulge me for a moment, you too Airborne Lawyer are certainly invited and welcome.
I've wondered this for some time and finally figured out the proper format for the question, what I will call a "reverse war game" based on this general "what if?"
The premise for the question is this:
What if all the folks who are adamantly against the United States war in Iraq fully got their wish and we pulled out right away?
These same people are opposed to the United States military so lets dismantle that too just for the sake of this discussion. What would happen?
This is not a joke post.
Last question, is it possible to speculate on these questions in an open forum?
Don't none of you bubbas tell me to use Google either.
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07-01-2005, 20:55
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Two short answers.
1. After Vietnaqm and the Siviets in Afghanistan, small opponents know they don't have to beat a super power in battle, just outlast them. An immediate withdrawal from the Middle East would confirm this.
2. There isn't a country in the world without a military or at least para-military police and there never will be. Even the Vatican has the Swiss Guards.
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07-01-2005, 21:03
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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
What if all the folks who are adamantly against the United States war in Iraq fully got their wish and we pulled out right away?
These same people are opposed to the United States military so lets dismantle that too just for the sake of this discussion. What would happen?
Last question, is it possible to speculate on these questions in an open forum?
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1. All of the folks here, or all of the folks there? Iraq would probably have a continuation of the Civil War that is currently smouldering, but without the US to play referee and throw money at it.
2. The US would probably be part of Greater Mexico and Canada by the end of the year. Who would stop them? We are already severely restricted from owning military type weapons.
3. Obviously so.
TR
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07-01-2005, 21:04
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Terry, Thank you.
We have a group of people in this nation who enjoy the protection of a strong military but seem to think they can eternally undercut it politically.
Therefore my questions.
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07-01-2005, 21:06
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
1. All of the folks here, or all of the folks there? Iraq would probably have a continuation of the Civil War that is currently smouldering, but without the US to play referee and throw money at it.
2. The US would probably be part of Greater Mexico and Canada by the end of the year.
3. Obviously so.
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No. 1, All the folks who are United States citizens.
No.2 and 3, Thank you.
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07-01-2005, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
These same people are opposed to the United States military so lets dismantle that too just for the sake of this discussion. What would happen?
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actually, prior to the end of WWII, the US would, for all intents and purposes, dismantle the armed forces...at one point after the Revolution, there was a company or so of regulars left on active duty to guard an arsenal or two...the state of the armed forces between world wars wasn't much to bragg about...
the founders of this country were even somewhat suspicious of standing armies and entangling alliances, as i recall...
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07-04-2005, 18:48
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the founders of this country were even somewhat suspicious of standing armies and entangling alliances, as i recall...
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Yes, but that was back when militias were armed and plentiful, and when fielding an Army didn't entail Apaches and tanks.
"In 1939 the United States armed forces ranked 18th in the world. The nation was far from being a military superpower. Only the navy, which had long been America's primary line of defense, was maintained at a level that commanded respect. "
http://www.ddaymuseum.org/education/history_intro.html
I think that the US had the luxury of dectivating the military during peace-time due to the technology of the time and the ocean between it and any enemies.
After WWII however, the technology and the rise of communism gave need for a standing army policy that we will never be able to shake, IMO.
Should we disband the military I don't think that Canada and Mexico would annex us, unless we asked them to (which I assume was TR's point). However, I do think that the whole dynamics of world events would shift dramatically. The US would no longer be the "sole superpower" that everyone says it is.
To predict all the effects it would have is impossible on such a large scale. Suffice it to say, the world would be steered by China, Russia, and a quickly assembled EU that no longer has the big brother US looking out for their interests.
--Aric
Oh yeah, North Korea would probably nuke us too. 
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DPRK should be next...
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07-04-2005, 20:21
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the founders of this country were even somewhat suspicious of standing armies and entangling alliances, as i recall...
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The founders of this country lived in neither this country nor this world. They were also not the founders, they were the representatives of the founders. The country was founded by soldiers and farmers and other working men.
The US Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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07-04-2005, 20:26
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
The founders of this country lived in neither this country nor this world. They were also not the founders, they were the representatives of the founders. The country was founded by soldiers and farmers and other working men.
The US Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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uh...yeah...the comment was a historical perspective, not a recommendation...
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07-04-2005, 20:59
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Ok.
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07-04-2005, 21:01
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you caught me reading de Tocqueville and drinking whisky... 
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Reason: had to add the 'c' to de Tocqueville
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07-04-2005, 21:13
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What apology?
Bill,
To answer your question:
1. Europe would give nukes to the Arabs to appease them - probably the Phrench.
2. The Arabs would use the nukes to attack Israel.
3. India and Pakistan would explode.
4. Africa would be even worse than it is already.
5. The crime rate in the US would go through the roof.
6. US citizens would be attacked everyday all over the planet.
7. Crip would graduate the Q course the day before they announced the disbanding of the Army.
8. Europe would be an Islamic sharia state.
9. South America would be come Greater Brazil
10 Coke would drop in price 50%
11. Young women all over the 3rd World would be wailing a gnashing their teeth.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-04-2005, 21:46
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7. Crip would graduate the Q course the day before they announced the disbanding of the Army.
11. Young women all over the 3rd World would be wailing a gnashing their teeth.
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Would 11 be because of 7?
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07-04-2005, 22:04
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7. Crip would graduate the Q course the day before they announced the disbanding of the Army.
11. Young women all over the 3rd World would be wailing a gnashing their teeth.
Would 11 be because of 7?
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Ouch.
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07-05-2005, 09:32
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What apology?
Bill,
To answer your question:
1. Europe would give nukes to the Arabs to appease them - probably the Phrench.
2. The Arabs would use the nukes to attack Israel.
3. India and Pakistan would explode.
4. Africa would be even worse than it is already.
5. The crime rate in the US would go through the roof.
6. US citizens would be attacked everyday all over the planet.
7. Crip would graduate the Q course the day before they announced the disbanding of the Army.
8. Europe would be an Islamic sharia state.
9. South America would be come Greater Brazil
10 Coke would drop in price 50%
11. Young women all over the 3rd World would be wailing a gnashing their teeth.
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NDD,
I wouldn't bet against this.
What language should the United States schools start teaching to go along with this scenario?
Maybe a little Chinese wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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