06-24-2005, 15:54
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Economically efficient weapons
Thought I'd try to get a discussion going about something this afternoon.
What weapon do you believe is the most economically efficient weapon in our arsenal? What is the least efficient?
By "efficient," I mean military value compared to monetary cost of procurement, maintenance, storage, etc.
I want to limit the discussion to non-human weapons such as rifles and aircraft.
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06-24-2005, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Thought I'd try to get a discussion going about something this afternoon.
What weapon do you believe is the most economically efficient weapon in our arsenal? What is the least efficient?
By "efficient," I mean military value compared to monetary cost of procurement, maintenance, storage, etc.
I want to limit the discussion to non-human weapons such as rifles and aircraft.
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A knife.
TR
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06-24-2005, 16:43
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A garrote or, to bring it into more modern times, a large Zip Tie !!! 
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06-24-2005, 16:48
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06-24-2005, 17:34
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while i served as a POG pogue and believe, properly employed, PSYOP is a force-multiplier and an effective means to an end, i believe PSYOP (especially the officers) do not fit into the category RL envisioned when he posed the question...methinks he was thinking hardware...and in that regard, i agree with TR regarding knives...although i do believe Colonel Ola Mize made some excellent work with an e-tool in Korea...
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06-24-2005, 19:19
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What weapon do you believe is the most economically efficient weapon in our arsenal? What is the least efficient?
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For what mission/target type and desired degree of outcome?
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06-24-2005, 22:17
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Thought I'd try to get a discussion going about something this afternoon.
What weapon do you believe is the most economically efficient weapon in our arsenal? What is the least efficient?
By "efficient," I mean military value compared to monetary cost of procurement, maintenance, storage, etc.
I want to limit the discussion to non-human weapons such as rifles and aircraft.
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Nuclear ICBM....I think it has the most bang for the buck.
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06-25-2005, 16:21
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The simple Hand Grenade.
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06-26-2005, 07:25
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M-40A3 and similar sniper rifles..
The enemy has RPGs.
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06-26-2005, 08:42
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Nuclear ICBM....I think it has the most bang for the buck.
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Do you know what one costs, including R&D?
The damage is not as extreme as some would have you believe, and the really big warheads are long since retired.
I do not personally consider fragmentation grenades all that efficient. You roll the dice with a frag, might get you, might get them, might be a short fuze, might get thrown back if you are not careful. Loud and most effective in enclosed spaces.
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06-26-2005, 09:07
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To add to this, the mind.
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06-26-2005, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Doc
To add to this, the mind.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll all say something like this -- that's why I tried to limit this to non-human systems.
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06-26-2005, 11:29
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Do you know what one costs, including R&D?
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No Sir, I don't have the slightest idea what one costs. I was just taking a shot in the dark. Kind of along the lines of what makes the biggest bang out there. 
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06-26-2005, 11:37
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I'd have to vouch for the WW II type E-tool! The M-1 Grand was also a better "Club" then the currant M-16, etc.
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06-26-2005, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll all say something like this -- that's why I tried to limit this to non-human systems.
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Well then it would seem you are more interested in a simple answer than a discussion.
To respond your question I'll try to lead you to a logical conclusion: If you were the boss, and wanted to equip your troops with the most efficient, low cost killing system available would the troops not already possess it?
In my opinion the assault rifle is the most efficient killing machine on the battlefield.
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