05-10-2005, 09:27
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Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
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For All You Taser Fans...
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05-10-2005, 09:41
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Sounds like a stun gun, not a taser that fires a pronged dart. Her application site burns are consistant with a stun gun, not a Taser. The taser must be fired to operate, it is not a contact weapon.
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05-10-2005, 09:52
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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
Sounds like a stun gun, not a taser that fires a pronged dart. Her application site burns are consistant with a stun gun, not a Taser. The taser must be fired to operate, it is not a contact weapon.
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Good info, but the TASER does have a contact capability.
TR
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05-10-2005, 10:24
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LEO's in Washington State carry Air Tazers, not stun guns. TR is correct, they can be used as contact weapons, or as ranged weapons.
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05-10-2005, 15:30
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Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
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This afternoon I spoke with a Sheriff's deputy in this area.
I found out we here in Oregon aren't as civilized as the States of Washington or California because we aren't required to sign a traffic citation in order to receive it from the issuing police Officer or Deputy.
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05-10-2005, 15:50
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Brooks testified she didn't even know what it was when Jones showed it to her and pulled the trigger, allowing her to hear the crackle of 50,000 volts of electricity.
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You know, I don't have to know much in life but there is one thing I can always assume. When you have an agitated officer at your window and he has something in his hand that looks like a gun or makes a loud noise when the trigger is pulled, IT MEANS IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HURT and I should stop what I am doing and listen.
That's just me though.
I am tired of people using their personal situation to justify their own stupidity. 
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05-10-2005, 15:57
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Let's see, after being pulled over by an MTV generation baby cop who continually probed me to see if I would display some attitude...
would I let that color my thinking of law enforcement?
Naw.
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05-10-2005, 16:08
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TASER can be used as a "contact" ERD. We do it all the time here. Used last week on a female who fought 5 of us. Gave her a warning with the cartridge off the weapon and that was to no avail so I gave here a shot on top of the thigh (only place open at the time). Got her attention but she continued fighting. Hit her again in the same local and she relaxed enough for us to shackle her down to a bullring. A few seconds later she was at again only this time she was fighting steel and concrete. She lost.
On a side note to all, does everybody know that electricity takes the past of least resistance? I just wasn't quite convinced of this so I just had to see this two weeks ago when I put my hand a little too close to the front and I saw in "very slow motion" the arc(s) jumping from one stud to my hand. 
I hate electricity...
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05-10-2005, 16:22
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Originally Posted by MAB32
TASER can be used as a "contact" ERD. We do it all the time here. Used last week on a female who fought 5 of us. Gave her a warning with the cartridge off the weapon and that was to no avail so I gave here a shot on top of the thigh (only place open at the time). Got her attention but she continued fighting. Hit her again in the same local and she relaxed enough for us to shackle her down to a bullring. A few seconds later she was at again only this time she was fighting steel and concrete. She lost.
On a side note to all, does everybody know that electricity takes the past of least resistance? I just wasn't quite convinced of this so I just had to see this two weeks ago when I put my hand a little too close to the front and I saw in "very slow motion" the arc(s) jumping from one stud to my hand.
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Was this for her not signing a twelve MPH over the limit ticket too?
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05-10-2005, 18:27
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Originally Posted by MAB32
On a side note to all, does everybody know that electricity takes the past of least resistance? I just wasn't quite convinced of this so I just had to see this two weeks ago when I put my hand a little too close to the front and I saw in "very slow motion" the arc(s) jumping from one stud to my hand.
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Don't you love a good physics lesson? 
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05-10-2005, 19:44
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Bill,
she came in on drugs & liquid courage and kicked one of our local PD's finest, well, in the finest of all areas of the male anatomy. Nobody in this state goes to jail for a speeding ticket anymore, unless, we can make it high end misdemeanor or felony. 
Physics lessons can be painful. Not sure which hurts worse though, the one where "what goes up must come down" or "the path of least resistance". 
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05-10-2005, 19:55
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While I find the use of the taser on the neck questionable judgement considering some of the bad press. She certainly brought this on herself by resisting arrest. Did she think when she clung to the steering wheel that they would just give up?
What a dumbass.
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05-10-2005, 20:39
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Originally Posted by jasonglh
While I find the use of the taser on the neck questionable...
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Why?
The Taser when used in a drive stun technique (as the Officer did) and as MAB32 stated in his scenario the Taser is less effective because it effects less area on the body. To compensate for the lack of effected tissue you must place the Taser in an area that is more "receptive" to the electricity.
As MAB32 stated and with the case in point, by placing the Taser on the thigh (a large muscle group). Yes it hurts, BUT by no means will it stop someone; in my experience doing a drive stun to an area such as the thigh or large muscle group. waists time and further aggrevates the individual you are fighting. [Not a knock on you MAB32 I fully understand you gotta go for what is available at the time]
So we train (and Taser strongly recommonds that) you preform drive stuns to the cartoid artery, the cyadic (sp?) nerve, common peronial, the tibail nerve, or the pelvic area (aka the groin) because all of these areas are very senistive and when done properly strongly discourage the individual from continuing there non-compliant behavior.
Additionally besides this chick's lack of common sense (by not obeying a lawful order by a Police Officer). How can she think that she's in the right, even after the Officer displayed the Taser to her and said that unless she complied he would be forced to Taser her....Maybe she should have trusted the individual wearing the badge and just gone along with his directions, sign the ticket and if she thought he was wrong argue it in court not on the side of the road.
I'm with Brew Monkey I'm tired of people being stupid, stubborn, arrogant, and think they should have a pissing contest with an Officer on the side of the road, just because they "think" they are right.
Mr. Harsey,
Please file a formal complaint next time. That kind of crap that rookie pulled is bullshit and as a Sgt. I really want to know when my guys are acting like punks, because it gives everyone who wears a badge a very bad name. Officer's already have a bad name in society just because they enforce the law the last thing we need is to give society reasons to hate us.
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05-10-2005, 20:45
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Originally Posted by MAB32
Bill,
she came in on drugs & liquid courage and kicked one of our local PD's finest, well, in the finest of all areas of the male anatomy. Nobody in this state goes to jail for a speeding ticket anymore, unless, we can make it high end misdemeanor or felony.
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I was pretty sure you guys had a whole different deal there.
Thanks.
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05-10-2005, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Mr. Harsey,
Please file a formal complaint next time. That kind of crap that rookie pulled is bullshit and as a Sgt. I really want to know when my guys are acting like punks, because it gives everyone who wears a badge a very bad name. Officer's already have a bad name in society just because they enforce the law the last thing we need is to give society reasons to hate us.
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Thanks Smokin' Joe.
I would file a formal complaint but it is my belief based on observation that it would produce absolutely no positive result and make no difference except to label me a whiner and paint a target on my back.
They have also lost all my support in this particular community.
edited to add, ...and I didn't even get a ticket.
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