SF Reservist arrested in AZ

[12B4S]

This story is still being sorted out. To this point an Army reservist has been arrested for detaining seven illegals at gun point at an isolated rest stop in AZ on Hwy 8. So far it seems he has had two stints in Iraq. From Indiana traveling through AZ. When he came out to his truck seven mexicans came out of the bushes, his dog came between them and him at which time he got his pistol out of his truck and "detained" them. Just now listening to the 911 recording. On the tape he said he was SF Army. This story has a long way to go yet, but guess who is now under arrest. Here is a link. Although there is very little info on there right now and it is a LIB paper (of course, you folks can deduce that by the "undocumented immigrants" verbage.) OH! The illegals are pressing charges.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...n-blomo03.html

This story will go on for quite awhile. The lib media will be out to fry the guy, not to mention the ACLU. Well, need more facts to emerge.

[12B4S]

Another article from the Arizona Republic (The AZ Repugnant). The illegals are "immigrants" to this rag. Anyway.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...tion13-ON.html

[Smokin Joe]

Although I understand what he did and why he did it. It is not reasonable to detain illegal immigrants at gun point if you have no other info other than the fact that they are illegals; it is excessive force. Additionally citizens do not have the powers of arrest when it comes to federal laws. Hopefully this will just go away and the guy gets off with only an ass chewing by the judge. However with the Minuteman Project going on along the border here in AZ I doubt this guy will get off easy.

[12B4S]

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

Although I understand what he did and why he did it. It is not reasonable to detain illegal immigrants at gun point if you have no other info other than the fact that they are illegals; it is excessive force. Additionally citizens do not have the powers of arrest when it comes to federal laws. Hopefully this will just go away and the guy gets off with only an ass chewing by the judge. However with the Minuteman Project going on along the border here in AZ I doubt this guy will get off easy.

Hiya Smokin Joe. I agree............ mostly. There are other facts and variables to come out of this. We'll see where it leads. One place it'll lead is right into the liberal media's lap. This incident at first, through the media here was to tie him into the Minutemen. All the facts are not in yet, but if it went down as he has described, to tell the truth, I doubt I would have done it any differently. I don't care what nationality. I just have a problem with 6 or 7 of anybody jumping me. Unless they're fem. Damn! Holding one or more folks at gunpoint because they came toward you out of the bushes in a remote desert area and may be a threat to you or your family is considered "excessive force" these days? Things keep changing, not my idea of excessive force. I don't know and there is mention of this guy being on drugs for combat stress. He may have been down there looking for something like this. We'll have to let it play out and see.

[12B4S]

One other thing Joe. Aren't you the guy that I believe Razor said "was one more use of excessive force away" from attaining.... hmmm, what was it a knife? Can't remember that part and not in a mood to do search right now.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by 12B4S

One other thing Joe. Aren't you the guy that I believe Razor said "was one more use of excessive force away" from attaining.... hmmm, what was it a knife? Can't remember that part and not in a mood to do search right now.

LOL- it was to qualify for a "Man Killing MOS"

12B4S,
I got different info then what you did (nothing on the inside just a different news outlet). From what I understand these "Imigrants" were not even moving towards this guy. Who, knows...I made my statement on what little info I have which is: That this guy was at a rest stop just off Highway 8 (for you guys who don't know Highway runs almost through Mexico its so close to the border, also I-8 has some of the most desolate area I have EVER seen sand dunes for miles in all directions). Anyways the "Imigrants" come out of the bushes and are just walking not even towards this guy. Some how the "Imigrants" get between the Reservist and the Reservist dog, so the Reservist goes to his truck and gets his gun and "detains" these "Imigrants" at gun point. This to me is not reasonable because:

1. These "Imigrants" were not threatening this guy.
2. Nor even moving in his general direction. (this is total hersay)
3. Citizens do not have the authority to perform a citizen's arrest for federal imigration crimes.
4. He's not justified in threatening lethal force on these "Imigrants" because his life or the life of a third person is not in Emmient Danger of unlawful deadly force, nor was he stopping a Kidnapping, Rape, or Arson.

I think this guy should have been armed, and made it visible to the "Imigrants" that he was armed (i.e. not concealed) but I don't think that he should have "Detained" them at gun point.

Additionally, what I'm seeing with all the news here is that with the Minuteman Project going on the Feds (and libs) are going to Fry anyones ass that uses any amount of unjustified force on an Illegal Imigrant. Politics on this issue are getting really nasty and I would hate to be this Reservist caught in the middle. Good thing for this Reservist is he's a 2 tour Combat Vet (from what I hear) and he was NOT part of the Minuteman Project. If this was a private Citizen on public land part of the Minuteman Project, the media and Federal Governement would Crucifie them.


Just my .02 cents

[The Reaper]

I hate to generalize, but lets review.

I am in Naco (carrying concealed) and I see several young Middle-Eastern appearing gentlemen speaking Arabic and carrying bags as they head north into the US.

I tell them to halt, and they refuse, but start to split up, with a couple moving toward me.

What should I do?

TR

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I hate to generalize, but lets review.

I am in Naco (carrying concealed) and I see several young Middle-Eastern appearing gentlemen speaking Arabic and carrying bags as they head north into the US.

I tell them to halt, and they refuse, but start to split up, with a couple moving toward me.

What should I do?

TR

Shoot them, ditch the bodies, then the pistol. Proceed to nearest airport and visit an old SF buddy in Thailand. Consume mass quantities of alcohol! Repeat as neccessary.

[CPTAUSRET]

TR:

I would do what you are thinking, and arm a couple of them with throw away weapons.

Terry

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I hate to generalize, but lets review.

I am in Naco (carrying concealed) and I see several young Middle-Eastern appearing gentlemen speaking Arabic and carrying bags as they head north into the US.

I tell them to halt, and they refuse, but start to split up, with a couple moving toward me.

What should I do?

TR

Defend yourself and your loved ones.

Call 911 ASAP

Sir, I totally understand what you are saying, but with the political tension and other B.S. that is surrounding the Minute Man Project here in AZ. The libs are pooring political pressure on the Feds to stop the Minute Men. Even the ACLU is on the border "monitoring" the Minute Men to make sure they don't "violate anyones civil rights" and the Feds don't want to look bad so they are looking for someone to make and example of.

If this Reservist did the same thing prior to this month, the maximum he probably would have gotten would have been a good ass chewing on scene and then sent on his marry way. But he didn't effectively articulate his need to "detain" the "Illegal Imigrants" at gun point so the Feds found there example. Bad place and bad time for the Reservist. Hopefully, this will get swept under the rug later on down the road when the Minute Men aren't on everyone's radar.

I don't agree with it but that's how politics are in AZ.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

But he didn't effectively articulate his need to "detain" the "Illegal Imigrants" at gun point so the Feds found there example. Bad place and bad time for the Reservist. Hopefully, this will get swept under the rug later on down the road when the Minute Men aren't on everyone's radar.

I don't agree with it but that's how politics are in AZ.

"I was afraid that the immigrants were armed, had heard about terrorists illegally entering the US in the same manner, was in fear for my life, and felt that I had to put them on the ground until competent authorities arrived for both their and my safety."

I think that it is a good thing. It is slowing the flow, causing the US government to perform one of their few Constitutionally mandated responsibilities, is causing people to think about what is happening, and what might happen, and is forcing politicians to show their true colors.

TR

[CPTAUSRET]

I was at a dinner a couple of weeks ago with the Gov of AZ, I should have brought this (situation) up to her.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

"I was afraid that the immigrants were armed, had heard about terrorists illegally entering the US in the same manner, was in fear for my life, and felt that I had to put them on the ground until competent authorities arrived for both their and my safety."

TR

Perfect Sir.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I think that it is a good thing. It is slowing the flow, causing the US government to perform one of their few Constitutionally mandated responsibilities, is causing people to think about what is happening, and what might happen, and is forcing politicians to show their true colors.

I agree, fortunately we have serious citizen who can dedicate there time and money to such as cause. The Minute Men are being met with ubsurd protesters and media bombarment but IMHO its doing little to force our Dike...I mean potentailly homosexual governer to get off her girlfriend and get our border secured. God forbid we allow the Border Patrol to be aggressive and properly staffed...that might hurt someones feelings

[jon448]

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

I agree, fortunately we have serious citizen who can dedicate there time and money to such as cause. The Minute Men are being met with ubsurd protesters and media bombarment but IMHO its doing little to force our Dike...I mean potentailly homosexual governer to get off her girlfriend and get our border secured. God forbid we allow the Border Patrol to be aggressive and properly staffed...that might hurt someones feelings

From what I've heard isn't the Border Patrol federally backed not state? Wouldn't that mean that it should be congress fixing this whole issue?
I actually think it would be better off as a state issue because people up where I am don't see things the same way those who live relatively close to the border do.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by jon448

From what I've heard isn't the Border Patrol federally backed not state? Wouldn't that mean that it should be congress fixing this whole issue?
I actually think it would be better off as a state issue because people up where I am don't see things the same way those who live relatively close to the border do.

Yes, however who should provide the pressure to Washington for adequate Agents and equipment to deal with the Illegals? What states feel the biggest impact by Illegal Immigrants? Also who has control over the National Guard? I feel Border protection is just as much a State problem as it is a National problem. The director of ICE could give a rat f*ck about AZ alone. He has 2 borders, 3 oceans, and thousands of port of entries to worry about. Also the State sets how Aggressive or not the Border Patrol can be (respectfully) I won't go into what the Border Patrol CAN'T do for OPSEC reasons but lets just say you would be very surprised and disapointed.