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04-12-2005, 11:13
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I have a proposal
I propose to repeal Executive Order 11905, Section 5(g), which reads:
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(g) Prohibition of Assassination. No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.
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http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/s...#assassination
Let's vote. And please provide your thoughts.
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04-12-2005, 11:19
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My understanding is the current POTUS did not resign it?
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04-12-2005, 12:18
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The repeal is long overdue! 
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04-12-2005, 12:56
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It would open up a whole new era of Diplomacy 
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04-12-2005, 12:58
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Shouldn't this be titled, "A Modest Proposal"?
TR
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04-12-2005, 13:21
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Who was sleeping?
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
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OK, who was sleeping in the class?  This very subject was part of a class that was taught in O&I during the 80s. It was taught by the special subject's team and had a lawyer as a guest speaker most of the time.
There was 4 of us on that team in 1988.
From the amount of chatter the class produced I thought most would have remembered it.
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04-12-2005, 13:48
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the remnants of the Church committee's best attempt to bring morality into a sphere where it doesn't belong... 
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04-12-2005, 13:55
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No dissenters?
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04-12-2005, 13:57
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Do you think anyone else in the world plays by that rule?
TR
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04-12-2005, 14:19
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Do you think anyone else in the world plays by that rule?
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I suspect not, but don't know.
BTW, as you presumably know, I was asking whether anyone wanted to oppose the proposal I made. Having made the proposal, I support it.
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04-12-2005, 14:19
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I say keep it. It imposes no practical impediment on either our own or our enemies' actions, but represents a useful fiction which may, at some point, serve to partially insulate our political leadership from failed operations or unintended consequences. If I am wrong on the former point, I would appreciate someone saying so.
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04-12-2005, 14:21
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I say keep it. It imposes no practical impediment on either our own or our enemies' actions, but represents a useful fiction which may, at some point, serve to partially insulate our political leadership from failed operations or unintended consequences. If I am wrong on the former point, I would appreciate someone saying so.
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My understanding is that the term "political assassination" has been interpreted very broadly, significantly impeding our ability to interdict appropriate targets.
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04-12-2005, 14:36
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If it were truly the best option available in a specific circumstance, do you doubt that it could be accomplished without attribution through the use of proxies?
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04-12-2005, 14:38
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If it were truly the best option available in a specific circumstance, do you doubt that it could be accomplished without attribution through the use of proxies?
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If you are asking me, yes. Sometimes if you want to make sure something is done right, and in a timely fashion, you have to do it yourself.
But I defer to the experts.
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04-12-2005, 14:40
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If it were truly the best option available in a specific circumstance, do you doubt that it could be accomplished without attribution through the use of proxies?
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i'm not sure the methodology regarding attribution is appropriate for discussion in this forum...
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