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Old 04-07-2005, 19:19   #1
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Crucible Steel

Beginning tommorrow morning at 9:00 am I'll be spending the entire weekend with the guys from Crucible Steel (Syracuse New York).
These guys are the ones who make the CPM S-30V steel we pioneered in the Yarborough knife.

This is my annual "update" course on steels and heat treat.

I'll try to check in here early morning before we get going in case anyone has any questions.
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Old 04-07-2005, 20:03   #2
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Mr. Harsey,

Could you get the scoop on what they are doing with 154cm ?

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Old 04-08-2005, 07:14   #3
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Mr. Harsey,

Could you get the scoop on what they are doing with 154cm ?

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I already have that.
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Old 04-09-2005, 00:08   #4
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Oh for goodness sakes, I've been trying to find that out for weeks and here Mr. Smarty-Pants already has it!

Dish the dirt sir!

Pleeeeeease? Tell me tell me.

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Old 04-09-2005, 08:03   #5
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Oh for goodness sakes, I've been trying to find that out for weeks and here Mr. Smarty-Pants already has it!

Dish the dirt sir!

Pleeeeeease? Tell me tell me.

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OK.
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Old 04-09-2005, 10:11   #6
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OK.
I can see it comming !!!! ONE WORD AT A TIME !!!!!
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Old 04-09-2005, 11:32   #7
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LOL.
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Old 04-09-2005, 22:59   #8
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[QUOTE=Ambush Master]I can see it comming !!!! ONE WORD AT A TIME !!!!! [/QUOTE

Yeah AM. At least from Bill. Do you think FS can pull that off?
The way this thread is going, it's a good thing the bags of popcorn are endless.
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Old 04-09-2005, 23:26   #9
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::mild priss tone::

You will alllllllllllllll be edified to know, that I spoke with one Mr. William Harsey Jr. ce soir, and he handed me to the pre-eminent steel expert from Crucible who proceeded to explain attributes of the new 154cm.


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Yeah AM. At least from Bill. Do you think FS can pull that off?
Oh yeah 12B?? See if I tell! It'll cost ya now !

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Old 04-10-2005, 03:04   #10
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::mild priss tone::

You will alllllllllllllll be edified to know, that I spoke with one Mr. William Harsey Jr. ce soir, and he handed me to the pre-eminent steel expert from Crucible who proceeded to explain attributes of the new 154cm.


Oh yeah 12B?? See if I tell! It'll cost ya now !

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SEE!!! Knew she couldn't come back with a one word response.
Edified? FS I'm already proficient at edification. Ok Ok, so it took a couple decades. Think my slip ups were just the morality part of the definition.
It always "costs" me, to respond to your posts. I have to type.....!!!
Just noticed, that lifter guy has screech arms.

BTW, How can there be a new 154 cm when 154 cm is just that, 154 cm? Just a tad over 60 inches. jeeeez...

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Old 04-10-2005, 07:36   #11
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There is a new 154CM Tool Steel being made by Crucible Specialty Tool Steels in Syracuse New York.

It's being made by Crucible's Particle Metal process and I've had it in my shop long before the announcement was made public.

The new stuff is the same chemical composition of alloys as the old 154CM but made in a way that the carbide distribution within the matrix of the steel is radically changed.

Some of the mechanical properties of the new Particle Metal 154CM compared to the old traditional melted and rolled 154CM are:
Ultimate tensile strength is higher, more tranverse bend fracture strength and using the same heat treat, at least one more point hardness on the Rockwell "C" hardness scale which should mean a bit more edge holding.
I haven't yet been able to do the edge holding tests.
Because of the superior fine grain structure, the ability to high polish this steel with no macro grain structure showing is incredible.

I wanted FS to hear this stuff directly from the guy who makes it because there will be a test to see if she listens to him like she does me. The poor guy came back looking pretty ragged after speaking to her...

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CPM S-30V remains King when it comes to toughness and edge holding because of it's vanadium content which 154CM does not have.
The reason for the new Particle Metal 154CM was to provide a superior tool steel for custom knives which could be mirror finished which is almost impossible with CPM S-30V and its vanadium carbides.
Vanadium carbides are so hard they are off the Rockwell hardness charts and one has to use the Vickers Scale of hardness to measure them. This is why it's very difficult to grind and high polish the CPM S-30V.

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Old 04-10-2005, 07:59   #12
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Bill, your knifemaking skills are so well-established that they require little comment from the likes of me, but you would of made one helluva teacher, too.
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:36   #13
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Mr. Harsey,

I just recieved a knife with a CPM-S30V blade. I know basically nothing about this steel, and am not a great knife sharpener.

Could you talk a bit about proper sharpening of it?? Method and preferred stone(s)??

Thanks for your time.
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:47   #14
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Mr. Harsey,

I just recieved a knife with a CPM-S30V blade. I know basically nothing about this steel, and am not a great knife sharpener.

Could you talk a bit about proper sharpening of it?? Method and preferred stone(s)??

Thanks for your time.

mcgrubbs,

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Fill out your profile, read the rules, follow the instructions.

Learn how to use the "search" button, it is your friend. Mr Harsey (and the rest of us) do not want to go through "how to sharpen a knife" again.

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