03-03-2005, 14:03
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Selected or Not?
Whats the difference in the Soldier that complets SFAS and gets selected, than the Soldier who completes SFAS and doesnt get selected?
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03-03-2005, 14:11
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Trick question?
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Originally Posted by elmntskater1588
Whats the difference in the Soldier that complets SFAS and gets selected, than the Soldier who completes SFAS and doesnt get selected?
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One gets to try and make it through the course.
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03-03-2005, 14:25
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The other returns to his unit to try again later (Non-Selected), or go away and never come back (NTR=Never To Return).
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03-03-2005, 14:50
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I mean, why would someone who completes SFAS not be selected to continue on in training?
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03-03-2005, 14:55
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Stud Muffins
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I mean, why would someone who completes SFAS not be selected to continue on in training?
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Sometimes Stud Muffins in SFAS are like cookies in the oven. They're just not ready to come out yet.
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03-03-2005, 14:56
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I mean, why would someone who completes SFAS not be selected to continue on in training?
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"surviving isn't selection" got that from a website put up by an SF soldier somewhere, not sure if he is a memeber on here.
as far as i can say, if you're just "sandbagging", or you got a case of that asian desiese, "draggin' ass" then why should they select you? PPl that just aim for the bare minimum probably dont last to long.
I dont plan on slowing down one step as soon as i step foot on ft. bragg, gonna be all out wide open balls to the wall, at every task im given. no need for less then 110%
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03-03-2005, 14:59
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I mean, why would someone who completes SFAS not be selected to continue on in training?
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The same reason that sitting through four years of college does not necessarily give you a degree.
As long as you show up for every event, and pass some of them, you can continue in the SFAS class.
It is called SELECTION AND ASSESSMENT. Sticking around through the course means that you have been assessed. It does not mean that you have been selected.
This seems pretty obvious to me, do you still not get it?
TR
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03-03-2005, 15:05
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I understand fully, thanks.
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03-03-2005, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Dustin03
I dont plan on slowing down one step as soon as i step foot on ft. bragg, gonna be all out wide open balls to the wall, at every task im given. no need for less then 110%
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And you will quickly learn your first lesson in decision-making for SF guys. Sometimes, taking a short moment to assess a situation and quickly make a semi-informed decision will reap far better results than to employ brute force. I think your Land Nav practical exercises will help you in this regard.
Its very similar to the old joke of two bulls sitting on a hill, overlooking a herd of cows. The young, strong bull looks at the old, scarred bull and says, "Let's charge down this hill and [mate with] a couple of those cows." The older bull shakes its head and says, "No, let's WALK down this hill and [mate with] ALL of them."
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03-03-2005, 18:13
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ok, but after the decision making, then it's go time, right?
OR do you find it more often then not that it's better to stop and double check yourslef, like as in an assesment of how things are going?
There may be something valuable here to learn, and i'm all ears err eyes 
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03-03-2005, 18:28
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Check Yourself?
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ok, but after the decision making, then it's go time, right?
OR do you find it more often then not that it's better to stop and double check yourslef, like as in an assesment of how things are going?
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You think it's a good idea to jump out of an airplane with the boys so the plane takes off. You've made up your mind, you really are going to do it. The boys are moving to the door and start jumping out. Just as you get to the door you notice you forgot to put a parachute on. Well PL, wha'cha' goin'na do now?
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03-03-2005, 18:35
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look for a spare laying around, if not then i guess i'm SOL. land with the plane and buy them all beer cause i was an idiot that forgot a parachute.
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03-03-2005, 18:46
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SF guys
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look for a spare laying around, if not then i guess i'm SOL. land with the plane and buy them all beer cause i was an idiot that forgot a parachute.
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A guy who was SF material would have checked his chute before he got on the plane. That way he never would be placed in a compromising position. So why did you get on that plane with no parachute? Well I, well I, well I. Well you what?
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03-03-2005, 18:51
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to me i just dont see how i would forget something like a parachute for a jump. just dont make much sense to me. i do see your point tho.
i have seen guys forget parts of their ceremonial uniform for funerals i've done in the past. that resulted in extra pt time for the entire honor guard team.
have you seen anything like this actually happen?
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03-03-2005, 23:17
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph! It's not about the damn parachute or even the airplane.
It's about getting a partner you would want to run with. Well, that and sharp pointy sticks.
Go do PT.
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He knows only The Cause.
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