The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing."

[NousDefionsDoc]

I want this book! I'm calling my Moms! LOL

Posted: February 12, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators in the Oklahoma City bombing but were part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq, according to a new release by WND Books.

Backed by stunning evidence, author Jayna Davis explains in detail the complete, and so far untold, story behind the failed investigation in The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing."


The investigative reporter who first broke the story of the Middle East connection, Davis shows why the FBI closed the door, what further evidence exists to prove the Iraqi connection, why it has been ignored and what makes it more relevant now than ever.

Told with a gripping narrative style and vetted by men such as former CIA director James Woolsey, Davis's piercing account is the first book to set the record straight about what really happened in the bombing that killed nearly 170 people in a few short seconds April 19, 1995.

Last April, Davis' reporting on the Oklahoma City bombing was vindicated when the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed a lawsuit filed against her after finding "defendants did not recklessly disregard the truth" in reporting on an Iraqi soldier's alleged involvement in the bombing.

"After eight years of oppressive litigation, the courts have vindicated my work ethic as a dedicated journalist," Davis told WorldNetDaily at the time. "The lawsuit was obviously designed to silence a legitimate investigation into Middle Eastern complicity in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing."

In an interview with WND in October 2001, attorney David Schippers, who prosecuted the House of Representatives' impeachment case against Bill Clinton, said his examination of the evidence Davis presented him was conclusive.

"I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing," he said.

[Sigi]

NDD Sir,

Please read "NO Heroes" by Danny "Doc" Coulson. Doc originated HRT after years in the field. He is quite the expert on the Right Wing "Turner Diaries" cults that sprang up during the early 80's to late 90's.

The 'connection' with Nichols/McVeigh is more closely related to the Christan Idendity and /or CSA movement than it is the foreignn terroist movement.

Not that this article is without merit, but after reading Doc Coulson's book, this is really a fantasy on the part of the author.

Just my opinion.

Sigi

[NousDefionsDoc]

I don't like the FBI. And don't call me sir.

Thanks for the recommendation.

[CRad]

http://www.jaynadavis.com/

Check her website. She has newspaper coverage and everything.

[Sigi]

I am interested to see what she has to say. I wonder what proof she has to back up these claims. McVeigh spent an awful lot of time educating himself on the "Turner Diaries" and associating himself with the Christian Identity types. He was on a mission to make the government pay for Waco, specifically the ATF/FBI. The date of the WACO and OK City incidents were both April 19th.

I shouldn't pass judgement on her until I have read her book, but she would need to have something other than heresay and conspiracy theories for me to take her seriously. Some of what I have read concerning this subject offers very little accept endorsements to buy her book, including her website.

[Sigi]

The Thrill of a Good Conspiracy

Iraq and the Oklahoma bombing case

By Cate McCauley

Few episodes in American history attracted more conspiracy theories than the Oklahoma bombing case. The idea that Iraq was actually involved with the 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City is a theory long ago dismissed--for good reasons. Sadly, after the attacks of 9-11, it reemerged with a vengeance.

"A few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent," U.S. News & World Report's Paul Bedard wrote in his "Washington Whispers" column (10/29/01). "The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers."

Insight magazine writer Kenneth Timmerman (4/15/02) took this a step further: "Sources tell Insight that the phone numbers apparently were contained in a sealed manila envelope that was turned over to the FBI unopened by the Oklahoma state troopers who arrested McVeigh. The FBI logged in the evidence as 'manila envelope with content,' but never disclosed what was inside."

In fact, that envelope and its contents--mostly right-wing propaganda--were discussed at length in court testimony and in the press (e.g., New York Times, 4/29/97). Until the "sources" or "top Defense officials" can produce a piece of paper with Iraqi phone numbers on it, written in McVeigh’s distinct penmanship, this is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

From envelopes to Manila

Another cornerstone of the Iraqi-Oklahoma bombing connection is the claim that McVeigh co-conspirator Terry Nichols met with convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef during Nichols' travels to the Philippines. These speculations were based on an informant named Edwin Angeles, a founding member of Abu Sayyaf, an Islamacist guerrilla movement operating in the southern Philippines.

"In fact, the groups that were operating in the Philippines, Abu Sayyaf in particular, were involved with Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh," Larry Johnson, a former U.S. State Department employee turned terrorism expert, told Fox News viewers (O’Reilly Factor, 5/7/02).

Insight's Timmerman (4/22/02) also pushed this theory: "The earliest meetings took place at a Del Monte canning plant in Davao in late 1992 and early 1993," he reported.

In Angeles’ official statement, made public prior to the McVeigh trial, he claimed to have attended a meeting in 1992 or 1993 with Yousef and two Americans--one of whom, known only as the "farmer," was assumed by some to have been Terry Nichols.

But Nichols was not in the Philippines at all in 1992. The only time he was there in 1993, from late January to mid-February, Yousef was in the New York City area executing his attack on the World Trade Center, which occurred on February 26, 1993. Therefore, at the time Angeles claimed to have attended a meeting with Nichols and Yousef, these two men were half a world apart.

Multiplying meetings

Although the story was easily debunked, the Angeles tale was accepted as fact, and continued to grow.

Timmerman (Insight, 5/6/02) reported that "later meetings with Nichols [and] Yousef … took place at Angeles' house in late 1994." He referred matter-of-factly to "Angeles' second wife, who had prepared the meals for Nichols and Yousef. "

Wait a minute! In his official statement, Angeles--who died in 1999--never mentioned any 1994 meeting, nor did he identify the "farmer" as Nichols. Neither did anyone else. Where did these embellishments come from?

James Patterson, who has zealously promoted these theories for several months in his Indianapolis Star editorials, provided an answer. The source was the Manila Times, which he quoted (2/23/02): "Before slain Abu Sayyaf Group co-founder Edwin Angeles surrendered in 1994…he met with Ramzi Yousef…. That meeting…was unique--in that the group was meeting for the last time with … Terry Nichols."


Patterson added: "The Philippine terrorist network has communicated in the past with American right-wing dissidents, including executed Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols. Nichols traveled to that country more than half a dozen times between November 1994 and January 1995."

In the same article Patterson relied upon, the Manila Times also claimed that McVeigh attended one of these meetings, even though, in reality, he never traveled to the Philippines. Additionally, Patterson misreported Nichols’ travels. It’s well-established that he only went to the Philippines once--not "more than half a dozen times"--during that timeframe.

The deceased widow's story

Patterson's exaggerations derived from a highly questionable source:

"In a death-bed interview … Elmina Abdul told correspondent Dorian Zumel Sicat that her husband Edwin Angeles had met with Nichols and another unidentified American in 1994" (Indianapolis Star, 4/6/02). Days later, Patterson elaborated on this hearsay: Now Angeles was said to have met someone named "Terry" every day for a week in 1994 to talk about bombings (Indianapolis Star, 4/27/02).

Were there any nefarious meetings in 1994? No. Nichols’ wife, family and friends were investigated thoroughly. No one ever said strange people met with him, or that he disappeared for any lengths of time. There were no mysterious phone calls or travel, nothing to indicate involvement with any Filipino terrorists.

Besides, Nichols was in the Philippines only a few weeks before Angeles was taken into custody. If this alleged 1994 meeting really happened, why didn’t Angeles, or anyone else, say so back then? Couldn’t that have prevented the deaths in Oklahoma?

And how reliable was the Manila Times? In one of Timmerman’s postings (Insightmag.com, 4/22/02), we are told that the paper's reporter, Dorian Sicat, was "serving as an investigative liaison in the Philippines and the Pacific Rim for Oklahoma City lawyer Mike Johnston."

Johnston is one the attorneys who, along with Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch, filed a lawsuit in March 2002 on behalf a few Oklahoma bombing survivors, seeking $1.5 billion in damages from Iraq. If Sicat is working for a lawyer engaged in a suit against Iraq, that would seriously compromise his stance as an impartial journalist.

Editors at the Manila Times and Indianapolis Star declined an invitation to review the evidence.

O'Reilly's "bigger picture"

In the world of conspiracies, rumor and hearsay are like a runaway train. Even worse are the presumed connections between the bombing in Oklahoma and the attacks of September 11.

Bill O’Reilly recently pondered aloud (O'Reilly Factor, 5/7/02): "It gives a bigger picture that this [Oklahoma] may have been the first attack, and 9-11 might have been the second attack…on American soil by organized terrorist groups. Now, is there an al-Qaeda connection at all?"


Since the question was based on his theories, guest Larry Johnson naturally responded: "I think that's very likely. One of the things that's evident right now in connection with this investigation, the motel in Oklahoma City where the April bombing against the Murrah building was planned and executed from, that same hotel figures in two of the 9-11 hijackers and Zacarias Moussaoui…. Those three guys tried to check into that motel."

According to Johnson’s chat with this motel owner, in late July or early August 2001, Moussaoui and these September 11 hijackers asked for a room and mentioned "going for flight training."

But no connection between "that motel" and the Oklahoma bombing case was ever substantiated. And evidence reported in Moussaoui’s published indictment shows the hijackers in question--both whom already had pilot licenses--were most likely in Florida during that timeframe. There is no evidence to show that either traveled to Oklahoma in 2001.

These are only a few examples of how easily journalists can be derailed by a lack of background information and analysis, especially when it comes to the Oklahoma bombing case. While everyone may enjoy the thrill of a good conspiracy, the downside of this sort of reporting is more pain and confusion for terrorism survivors--as well as for the general public, who are left to wonder if any of these unsubstantiated theories are true.

Cate McCauley researched the Oklahoma City bombing case for many years. A private investigator licensed by the State of Oklahoma, she was appointed to the McVeigh federal appellate team and was one of the witnesses to his execution.

[Sigi]

In case anyone is wondering what the hell Nichols was doing in the Phillipines, that is where he picked up his 'mail order' wife.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Sigi
In case anyone is wondering what the hell Nichols was doing in the Phillipines, that is where he picked up his 'mail order' wife.

Who apparently was friends with another woman that knew (well?) a known terrorist.

Where did Nichols get the money to do all this traveling? I read where he was unemployed during this time period.

Investigated thoroughly by who?

[Sigi]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Who apparently was friends with another woman that knew (well?) a known terrorist.

Where did Nichols get the money to do all this traveling? I read where he was unemployed during this time period.

Investigated thoroughly by who?

It’s well-established that he only went to the Philippines once--not "more than half a dozen times"--during that timeframe.

I am a skeptic. I have faith in God, all others need proof.

[NousDefionsDoc]

It’s well-established that he only went to the Philippines once--not "more than half a dozen times"--during that timeframe.

This is my point Sigi - I don't think anybody on our side took the time to well-establish shit. Look at how long it took them to fully understand WTC 1. I want to know how it was well-established by whom. The FBI is a political organization. I find it easier to believe that they found what they thought they would find, it fit the profile and the need, and they stopped than: Those two rednecked asses planned, funded and implemented the 2nd worst terrorist attack on US soil by themselves. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is ME involvement possible?

I'll let you in on another little secret - the FBI ain't all that good at investigating terrorism overseas.

[CRad]

On the other hand, didn't McVeigh try to join SF but was too flaky? So he gets turned down and he's mad and figures fine! I'll go join up with the Middle Eastern terrorists? That'll fix 'em good. turn me down, mutter, mutter...

It doesn't make sense. Agreed blowing up government buildings doesn't make sense either but throwing in with foreigners, renting a Ryder truck and using fertilizer to blow up a government building. One of these things is not like the others.

[NousDefionsDoc]

What type of vehiculo was used at WTC 1? What type of device?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
What type of vehiculo was used at WTC 1? What type of device?

I'm your huckleberry.

I believe it was a van. The 600 kilogram bomb was made of urea pellets, nitroglycerin, sulfuric acid, aluminum azide, magnesium azide, and bottled hydrogen. Sodium cyanide was added to the mix in the hope it would poison people after blasting through the ventilation system and elevator shafts.


Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

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According to the site you posted it was actually a Ryder van. Ok, I take it back. Maybe they are alike. McVeigh and Co may have gotten the idea from the first bombing at the WTC but I still don't buy the idea that they linked up with ME terrorists and plotted with foreigners against the US. I think they were too angry for that.

It's feasible that we grow our very own domestic terrorists.

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I'm not saying they didn't do it by themselves. I'm saying there are things, that I consider critical, that haven't been investigated or cleared up.

It wouldn't surprise me if it came out that they did it all by their lonesomes. But it also wouldn't surprise me if they had help. BUT I WANT TO KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.