04-12-2019, 10:13
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Quiet Professional
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LEO Jump School,, WHY???
I can not fathom any practical application for having the local swat team jump qualified.
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Airborne With the Country’s First Parachute Qualified SWAT Team
Tom Marshall
Justice from Above: RECOIL Goes Airborne With the Country’s First Parachute Qualified SWAT Team
One thousand …
Two thousand …
Three thousand …
Four thousand …
Five thousand …
SIX THOUSAND …
Check canopy! Gain canopy control!
OK … good … f*ck this job.
That’s when I could feel my heartbeat again. The 10 seconds prior had been like holding my breath underwater. At jump altitude, 1,500 feet in this case, every nut, bolt, and rivet of our Cessna-182 seemed to rattle and bang as if trying to get out of the plane before I could. It made me wonder, what ever did happen to DB Cooper?
“One minute!”
The Jump Master’s command brought me back to the inevitable reality that I was going to jump into thin air on the assumption that an oversized bedsheet and a bunch of string was going to keep me from dying prematurely at terminal velocity. Honestly? I was way more stressed out and way less excited than I had hoped to be. But I remembered something I had heard from one of my NCOs way back in my “butter bar” Second Lieutenant days:
All due respect, sir, Jesus hates a p*ssy.
http://www.recoilweb.com/airborne-wi...1e1al0hrXo9g6g
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Next Up:
Meter Maids to be DZSO qualified.
Someone has to be there 1st to pop smoke and read the anemometer 
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04-12-2019, 10:29
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If the FBIHRT had jumped into Ruby Ridge back in 1992 - perhaps they'd have maintained the element of surprise and Lon Horiuchi wouldn't have been forced to accidentally shoot Vicki Weaver
all kinds of applications - besides - you cant be a real operator if you are a dirty nasty leg
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04-12-2019, 11:24
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Is there a better view of the "Law Enforcement Jump Wings" somewhere?
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04-12-2019, 13:09
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More militarization of the police force. 
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04-12-2019, 14:02
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Originally Posted by CSB
Is there a better view of the "Law Enforcement Jump Wings" somewhere?
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Yep:
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04-12-2019, 14:49
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Yep:
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Mmmm, blueberry.
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04-12-2019, 15:55
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Is there a better view of the "Law Enforcement Jump Wings" somewhere?
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Couldn't resist. 
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04-12-2019, 17:25
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It looks like another thinly veiled ex military contractor scam selling military skills using the same bullshit language crap and sales pitch the military does when it wants to justify sending combat weatherman to advanced DA schools
The pitch is during crisis society breaks down quickly in which law and order is critical.....IF you cannot get a convoy there because boats are too slow and STOL's A/C, and helicopters don't exist in this contractors world there is now a real world need to send in law enforcement WITHOUT a command center, jail, vehicles or anything else LEO needs by air is a new high speed option
Like I said yet another scam perpetrated by contractors for profit on the U.S. government dime
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04-12-2019, 20:16
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There is no good reason why for local law enforcement ....
I started the SWAT team for my department backs in the early eighties, but it never crossed my mind that airborne qualification was a desirable requirement. I developed our SWAT training program on a task, conditions, standards protocol ... and part of the qualification course was a regimen that mimic-ed elements of the Ranger course in making physical demands on the student. Why, you may ask? Because anyone with experience on how LEOs operate would understand that 'unit' operations did not function well beyond a two or three man team concept during that time frame.
LEOs were trained to operate alone or with a partner, but did not function well in numbers beyond that. Anecdotally, I would relate the story of where an officer would be placed to secure a perimeter. More often than not, the officer would move to another spot thinking it provided better cover or concealment ... or some other rationalization. Given the number of weapons pointed inward like a Polish firing squad, changes like that could lead to friendly fire casualties.
I even remember an instance, not a SWAT situation, where an officer on the perimeter securing a scene left to get coffee and a donut after a few 'boring' hours of inactivity. When you couple that with the rigors of placement in a position where snow, rain or other inclement weather could play with the focus of an officer, it became obvious that the demands of a Ranger mindset were needed. Hence those concepts were incorporated into the training.
But airborne qualification? I don't think so ....
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04-12-2019, 20:38
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Yeah but, is there “Danger Pay” associated with this new and unique opportunity to fleece the taxpayers?
Will they get to lease a Twin Otter and paint it black with black reflective letters that spell S.W.A.T.?
Will they jump the M1950 weapons case or use a single point QR sling?
Should all of that been pink? Yes!
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04-12-2019, 21:42
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If they use it, and they will, it will end up being either a tactical disaster, a media disaster, or both. Tactically they won't have the support that military units have. As to media, no support there regardless. Who remembers Daryl Gates' SWAT LAPD Tactical Battering Ram that I believe he drove into a house in '86 (or at least had his photo taken in it)? I'm not sure that they used it after that. Bad press.
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04-13-2019, 06:40
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More militarization of the police force. |
Bingo. Solution in search of problem. Sounds like a scam du jour. Our county got one of those "free" MRAPs - which they can barely afford to truly maintain. But it gets "deployed" at least 3x a year * - so, please continue funding the maintenance, yessir yessir 3 bags full.
* And that would be during the 4 July Independence Day parade, 2 principal town appearances counting as 2 deployments. And then National "Night Out" every August. Boy, sure glad we need that thing.
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04-13-2019, 07:02
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HAHAHAHA!!!
I had to check. I thought this was the comedy zone thread.
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04-13-2019, 09:07
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Why stop there, lets do a LEO MFF team. I will volunteer my services to MFF or LFF (Law Enforcement Free Fall). I got to come up with a cool acronym to sell FEMA.
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04-13-2019, 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Yeah but, is there “Danger Pay” associated with this new and unique opportunity to fleece the taxpayers?
Will they get to lease a Twin Otter and paint it black with black reflective letters that spell S.W.A.T.?
Will they jump the M1950 weapons case or use a single point QR sling?
Should all of that been pink? Yes!
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The 'toy' mindset is not a new one ... it happened to my SWAT unit after I left command. The replacement commander was infatuated more with what looked good then teaching, instilling, and practicing the approach that out-thinking the bad guy was a more fruitful path ....
Four months after I left the SWAT team had its first friendly fire casualty ... and friendly fire isn't friendly.
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