Sh!thole...

[Old Dog New Trick]

Proof that Democrats really are stupid.

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Chicago pays tribute to its Haitian founder after Trump allegedly trashes immigrants

https://usat.ly/2msuUSX

Chicago...a shithole then and still a shithole!

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Proof that Democrats really are stupid.

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Chicago pays tribute to its Haitian founder after Trump allegedly trashes immigrants

https://usat.ly/2msuUSX

Chicago...a shithole then and still a shithole!

Regarding the term "Shithole", Shithole is a term that knows no boundaries, it is a worldwide term. If indeed Trump did use that term then I say bully for him. Finally a leader that speaks his mind and worries not as to the direction of the wind. I most certainly do not find it to be a racist term.

[ddoering]

Definitely not a racist term. What benefit do people from shithole countries bring to the US? I know we had a bed bug problem a few years ago. And mumps, cholera, typhus and perhaps even polio. Thanks a lot shithole people.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I’ve been to some real shitholes in the world. Haiti being one of the worst and it wasn’t all our undoing, the local population sold their dignity for shiny trinkets and pennies on the dollar. Some of the worst shitholes I’ve been through are right here in America and not by immigrants, at least not black, brown, or other than white immigrants.

If the President of the United States referred to a shithole as a shithole in a private meeting with government leaders of both parties and both parties and the President can agree that the world is full of shitholes and we don’t need any more people from third world shitholes coming here until we can clean up some of our own shitholes.

If any of these Senators, Mayors or other elected officials want to sponsor immigrants from countries with no standards of life or living conditions and they will donate land, housing, utilities and sustenance for the life of those immigrants from their own privately owned lands and family money than I’m all for it.

I had to go over hurdles, jump through hoops of fire with the INS to bring my wife of foreign citizenship here. I had sign so many documents of financial support and swear to the creators of federal bureaucracy that she would not come to America on a non-immigrant visa and run off the join the circus. As such she still had to disclose to the American Embassy her financial situation at home was sufficient if she had to return for reasons of my delinquency. We’ve been married almost 20 years now and she became a US citizens after the birth of our child.

We did everything the right and legal way and at no time have we accepted a handout or free service from the government or American taxpayers.

Why is that so hard for our elected government to grasp?

[RichL025]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

...

If any of these Senators, Mayors or other elected officials want to sponsor immigrants from countries with no standards of life or living conditions and they will donate land, housing, utilities and sustenance for the life of those immigrants from their own privately owned lands and family money than I’m all for it. ...

Yup, WASPs said the same things about my people when we immigrated. (I'm half Irish)

You can call a country a shithole. And I agree, many of those countries ARE shitholes (whether the POTUS should be saying that is another matter).

But I think it's a seperate issue to say we shouldnt be accepting immigrants froma country because its a shithole.

Remind me again, what's written on the tablet the Statue of Liberty holds?

[RichL025]

Originally Posted by ddoering

... What benefit do people from shithole countries bring to the US? ....

Good beer, a gift for storytelling and a helluva party come St Paddy's day.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by RichL025

Remind me again, what's written on the tablet the Statue of Liberty holds?

The poem was the winner of a contest to raise funds for the pedestal. It means nothing more.

Pat

[RichL025]

Originally Posted by PSM

The poem was the winner of a contest to raise funds for the pedestal. It means nothing more.

Pat

Oh really? Seems like generations of Americans have held those phrases to mean something more than an advertising jingle.

[Old Dog New Trick]

The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” (Emma Lazarus)


Heck of a nice poem written in the late 1800’s and recognized in 1901 as the symbols of American ideology. Engraved on the base and pedestal of the Statue of Liberty. A far different time indeed. The beginning of the industrial revolution and meant to entice European settlers to leave their homelands and stake claim to the new Americas. It was appropriate for the times as it was not expected or anticipated that just anyone had the means to travel by sailing vessels or steamship from Europe to America - ‘cause you didn’t come from anywhere else at the time.

I mean no disrespect to any human being. I myself am the product of German/Jewish immigrants who escaped Nazi Germany in the 1930’s and Portuguese wanders who came to the shores of America in the late 1800’s or early twentieth century.

I welcome all who can make the difficult journey to America by sea, land or air in modern times. And want to be here to raise families, assimilate with our customs and provide support to our continued way of life through hard work and dedication to professional services.

I have a problem when my government creates the rules (often in violation of the law), provides the incentives and pays the bills to relocate people simply for the sake of diversity. Or in the biggest misuse of power a voting base for one party over the other.

I am a Special Forces Green Beret and understand more than most about the reasons we open our hearts and our borders to people from the worst places on earth to come and live here and to prosper in our graces. Whether because of war, condemnation, or political violence. We are by our motto the protectors and liberators of oppression. And I don’t care what color you are, what religion you practice or what God you warship, what language you speak or how much wealth if any you have. Come to America and make your neighborhoods prosperous and lively. Don’t transplant your previous shithole to your new opportunity to live free and without the repression you escaped from whether you had risk everything or nothing to get here. That is a choice and to often they make the same bad choices that led to living in a crime and gang ridden shithole. Only now it used to be better for everyone who lived there prior to the new arrivals.

JMO YMMV

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by RichL025

Oh really? Seems like generations of Americans have held those phrases to mean something more than an advertising jingle.

No, not really until sometime after 1965. Most people never been to Ellis Island and like the people who mistakenly believe the “right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” think that’s in the Constitution somewhere. It’s not.

[RichL025]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

No, not really until sometime after 1965.....

Please use your google-fu and read what FDR said about it. Quite a bit prior to 1965.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by PSM

The poem was the winner of a contest to raise funds for the pedestal. It means nothing more.

Pat

Yep,

There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. The poem did not receive much recognition and was quite forgotten after the auction.

In the early 1900s and after Lazarus’ death, one of her friends began a campaign to memorialize Lazarus and her New Colossus sonnet. The effort was a success, and a plaque with the poem’s text was mounted inside the pedestal of the statute.

[RichL025]

I agree with most of what you wrote in that post. This part, however, does not ring true:

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

...
...It was appropriate for the times as it was not expected or anticipated that just anyone had the means to travel by sailing vessels or steamship from Europe to America - ‘cause you didn’t come from anywhere else at the time.
...

There was quite a bit of non-European immigration going on during this time. It just wasn't though Ellis island, so the Statue of Liberty (understandably) became associated with European immigration.

And regarding the "means to travel" - that was not a very high bar at all. Some of my ancestors came over as indentured servants because they otherwise could not afford passage.

Again, they were fleeing shitholes that happened to be European shitholes...

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by RichL025

Please use your google-fu and read what FDR said about it. Quite a bit prior to 1965.

From 1892 til 1924 roughly 12,000,000 immigrants came through Ellis island it is of note the first immigrant recorded coming through the Island was a Irish woman


With the passing of the Immigrant Quota Act of 1921, the number of immigrants being allowed into the United States declined greatly. The passing of the bill ended the era of mass immigration.After 1924, Ellis Island became primarily a detention and deportation processing station.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by RichL025

Please use your google-fu and read what FDR said about it. Quite a bit prior to 1965.

I thought you said generations of Americans.

Not political points for a campaign, or special speech given in memorial setting.

Just saying a lot of people misquote often the peom as it was written and for whom it was written - the Statue of Liberty.

While we are here, let’s discuss the less storied and famous islands of New York Harbor. Wonder what encouraging words were inscribed for the immigrants arriving at Hoffman or Swinburne Islands? What were the government employees tasked with their Immigration Rules and Standards to determine who got to Ellis Island passed go and got a stamp in their passport or got on the little boat and sent a short distance away to hopefully get better or never be seen alive again.

Not everything we’ve done had been nice and accommodating to people deemed unhealthy, dirty, or unkempt.

ETA: if poems, memes, quotes by Hollywood actors and even Presidents exercising their 1A rights of free speech are what indicate LAWS not ratified by the Congress/States and signed into law by the appropriate official than we have some big issues.