01-22-2005, 13:55
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So what are the best ones, in your view? 
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01-22-2005, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
So what are the best ones, in your view? |
This is another one of those "it depends" questions.
What do you want to do with it?
Also, in some regards kind of a race car analogy:
"How fast can it go?"
"How much money you got?" 
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01-22-2005, 14:19
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The one that works when you need it and hits where you point it.
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01-22-2005, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Greenhat
The one that works when you need it and hits where you point it.
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 OK, I guess you guys don't want to discuss this. We did have a good handgun thread before, but the 1911 people were arguing that 1911s are better than HKs, etc. Seemed like a good topic, but I guess I was wrong. Or was I?
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01-22-2005, 14:28
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OK, I guess you guys don't want to discuss this. We did have a good handgun thread before, but the 1911 people were arguing that 1911s are better than HKs, etc. Seemed like a good topic, but I guess I was wrong. Or was I? |
No, it would appear that you are trolling or stirring the pot, or you would define your question further and more specifically, Counsel.
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01-22-2005, 14:33
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No, it would appear that you are trolling or stirring the pot, or you would define your question further and more specifically, Counsel.
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Hey, someone has to stir the pot! LOL
Do you really want a more precise question?
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01-22-2005, 14:36
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Hey, someone has to stir the pot! LOL
Do you really want a more precise question?
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I'm sorry, I thought I asked that in my first post above.
Did you want me to drop out of this so that you can have a nice little foodfight?
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01-22-2005, 14:42
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I'm sorry, I thought I asked that in my first post above.
Did you want me to drop out of this so that you can have a nice little foodfight?
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OK, OK, I'll do it. I am attempting to learn, that's all.
Let me attempt to define four scenarios. Feel free to modify them if necessary.
1. You want to carry a sidearm in the field and can carry only one. Your budget is unlimited. I do not know whether location matters (e.g., jungle, desert, urban environment), but if it does that seems to be something to discuss.
2. You want a sidearm for use in CONUS when off duty. Your budget is unlimited, but you are only getting one.
3. Same as #1, but price is a factor.
4. Same as #2, but price is a factor.
Better?
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01-22-2005, 15:25
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I've carried an issue M1911 (not A1) and a Mark IV, Series '70 Government Model. With a few slight modifications (recoild spring, polished feedramp, beveled mag well), I was happy with the series '70. I would have been pretty comfortable with the issue 1911 if it had decent sights.
My personal answer to 1 - 4 is that MK IV, Series '70 if there was sufficient funds, and if not to a plain jane 1911A1 that was not shot out.
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01-22-2005, 15:35
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OK, OK, I'll do it. I am attempting to learn, that's all.
Let me attempt to define four scenarios. Feel free to modify them if necessary.
1. You want to carry a sidearm in the field and can carry only one. Your budget is unlimited. I do not know whether location matters (e.g., jungle, desert, urban environment), but if it does that seems to be something to discuss.
2. You want a sidearm for use in CONUS when off duty. Your budget is unlimited, but you are only getting one.
3. Same as #1, but price is a factor.
4. Same as #2, but price is a factor.
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1. 1911A1, VERY lightly modified for reliability and ergonomics. Larry Vickers built would be my preference.
2. Para P12, built as per my specifications by a high-end gunsmith like C&S or Novak.
3. 1911A1, modified by a local smith. Kimber with the replacement of a few parts could be an acceptable alternative, as could a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Pistol, if the budget allowed.
4. Para P12 with the replacement of a few key parts by a local gunsmith.
HTH.
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01-22-2005, 15:56
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Wouldn't the Thunder Ranch in #3 be more expensive than the lightly modified 1911A1 in #1? A milspec Springfield with a reliabilty job by Ted Yost runs under $1200 total, the TRS is more like $1600.
Would you feel comfortable carrying a gun as tight as the Baer in the field?
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01-22-2005, 15:58
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The one that works when you need it and hits where you point it.
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I second that! We all need that one. 
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01-22-2005, 16:37
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TR,
Wouldn't the Thunder Ranch in #3 be more expensive than the lightly modified 1911A1 in #1? A milspec Springfield with a reliabilty job by Ted Yost runs under $1200 total, the TRS is more like $1600.
Would you feel comfortable carrying a gun as tight as the Baer in the field?
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Reaearch Larry Vickers and check his pricing.
The TRS was an off-duty carry gun.
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01-22-2005, 18:09
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Reaearch Larry Vickers and check his pricing.
The TRS was an off-duty carry gun.
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Is Larry back to working on 1911's? For a while when he was working on the H&K M-4 he stopped working on handguns. I would love to have my Springfield worked on by him but from what I have read (one of the gun rags featured one of his Milspec full house jobs last year) he only does 15 full house guns each year and his waiting list (if you can get on it) is very long.
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01-22-2005, 18:13
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Is Larry back to working on 1911's? For a while when he was working on the H&K M-4 he stopped working on handguns. I would love to have my Springfield worked on by him but from what I have read (one of the gun rags featured one of his Milspec full house jobs last year) he only does 15 full house guns each year and his waiting list (if you can get on it) is very long.
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Did I say it was easy?
Or that he would do one for you?
The question was, "1. You want to carry a sidearm in the field and can carry only one. Your budget is unlimited."
I told you what I would want.
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