USS John McCain collision

cbtengr · 08-20-2017, 18:35

This is going to be hard to explain in light of a recent collision of a Navy vessel. What do they do just put these ships on cruise control and hope for the best?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...n-pacific.html

Ret10Echo · 08-20-2017, 19:06

Prayers out for those aboard...

Two Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers.... System issue?

Scimitar · 08-20-2017, 19:23

I think this is the 4th US Navy ship incident since January this year that at least possibly involving navigation issues.

Issues with two separate Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, and
Issues with two separate Ticonderoga-class cruises.

Me thinks there's a pattern....

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echoes · 08-20-2017, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbtengr

This is going to be hard to explain in light of a recent collision of a Navy vessel. What do they do just put these ships on cruise control and hope for the best?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...n-pacific.html

My prayers go out...hope all are safe!

Holly

**Box** · 08-20-2017, 20:30

"Initial reports indicate the warship sustained damage to its port side aft."

...so, McCain had some problems on 'the left'

cbtengr · 08-20-2017, 20:30

It does not sound good, sounds like missing and injured. Definitely prayers out to all concerned and I should have stated that in my first post.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/8...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Old Dog New Trick · 08-20-2017, 20:35

Prayers out to those missing and injured.

Penn · 08-20-2017, 20:55

Quote:

a terrible POW

there is no love lost on the RINO that McCain is, but that part of your hard statement needs to be backed up a n bit, or withdrawn.

Old Dog New Trick · 08-20-2017, 21:54

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LarryW · 08-21-2017, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Prayers out for those aboard...

Two Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers.... System issue?

Yes, sir, and the "system" is most likely in logistics. Not in spare parts (beans, black oil, and bullets) but in training and leadership. There's definitely a fault and it is systemic. For years and in so many areas (all services can claim this, too) we've been sold to rely more and more on technology and less on the individual. But, if you put the man back in the loop you'd better know how to lead him. This is the new paradigm and it's not going to be cleared up easy.

Yes, sir, it's a "system" problem, and it can go all the way back to acquisitions. You can build something cheap, quick, or well. But, you can only choose two of these, and if you leave logistics out of the system design equation you're making an irreversible and very stupid mistake. Choose wisely, all you planners and strategists. Meanwhile, you bosses out there had better learn how to lead.

spottedmedic111 · 08-21-2017, 06:08

Anyone who's been tempted to forgo guard shifts during a patrol base RON will likely recognize the issue here. The ocean is big, but professionalism should be bigger.

bblhead672 · 08-21-2017, 07:12

The Navy needs to put down the "sensitivity training manual" and pick back up the "seamanship manual."

This is what happens when mission is second to political/social concerns.

LarryW · 08-21-2017, 10:42

CNO just appointed ADM Phil Davidson to head up the investigation into the fleet problems in WESTPAC. I don't know Davidson but given his horsepower I expect some 7th Fleet flag officers may be headed for the door. In the end, however, when four stars start getting involved with anything the real cause and effects go out the window with the other baby. JMHO.

Here are his comments in FEB this year at a Navy conference and gives some view of his POV. FWIW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW9ZxNAxJg

BigJimCalhoun · 08-21-2017, 17:35

A bit more info on the naming of the ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jo...McCain_(DDG-56)
This warship is named after John S. McCain, Sr., and John S. McCain, Jr., both admirals in the United States Navy. John S. McCain, Sr. commanded the aircraft carrier USS Ranger, and later the Fast Carrier Task Force during the latter stages of World War II. John S. McCain, Jr. commanded the submarines USS Gunnel and USS Dentuda during World War II. He subsequently held a number of posts, rising to Commander-in-Chief of the United States Pacific Command, before retiring in 1972. These men were, respectively, the grandfather and father of retired U.S. Navy Captain, Naval Aviator, and former Vietnam Prisoner of War, Senator John S. McCain III.[2]

milkman · 08-21-2017, 17:59

McCain was experiencing severe electronic problems, as was the Fitzgerald. Both ships were built in the same shipyard. Both are BMC Ballistic Missile Carriers, out of Japan. Both are members of a group of 6 ships that alternate there patrols in the same area.Now there are 4 ships instead of 6. So the other 4 will have to double up on patrol areas and replenish at sea. Now there is 2 less ships to shoot down N K missiles. Cyber attack activities against ships are being looked at.
Fitzgerald was rammed by a container ship that turned around and did a 180 once they saw where the Fitzgerald was.