Law Enforcement Overreach

[miclo18d]

After reading the article about the ATF setting up secret accounts and laundering their own money and the United Arline's incident, I bring you one a little closer to home. A member of the SOF community out for a run:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...411-story.html

Former Navy SEAL's jog near border fence ends in legal war with Border Patrol agent

On an August afternoon in 2014, Alton Jones decided to leave behind his wife and 6-year-old son playing on the sand at Border Field State Park to go for a quick jog near the fence dividing the United States and Mexico.

The jaunt ended in a violent confrontation between the former Navy SEAL and Border Patrol agents, a night in a holding cell and dueling lawsuits being fought in federal court in San Diego.

Jones, 57, filed his lawsuit last summer, alleging excessive use of force, violation of free speech, false imprisonment, battery by a peace officer, negligence and violation of the federal public records act, among other claims.

On Friday, in a rare legal move by the federal government, one of the Border Patrol agents filed a counterclaim alleging he was the one who suffered physically and emotionally.

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[sinjefe]

There are two sides to every story and the truth usually is somewhere in the middle.

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

There are two sides to every story and the truth usually is somewhere in the middle.

True that Jefe, in the golden years an officer's word was his bond and honor meant something, however! over the last 10 years we've seen "The thin blue line" turn into "us against them" (us=cops against them="civilians", as they call us).

I'm not saying the SEAL is blameless, but what happened to civility and, "Hey, you can't be here, you need to go back?"

"Ok!," and then go back.

Problem solved, problem staying solved.


Now this one is going to civil suit, where's the win?

[Old Dog New Trick]

JMO - the fish in the oven smells bad.

Who takes their family to the beach a short distance from their home for a family outing and then runs off (goes for a jog) along one of the most watched fences in America? Something smells fishy. As said there are two stories and a version of the truth is in there somewhere.

The fact that the DOJ legal counsel is representing the agent speaks volumes about the governments case or facts regarding the case. They would not do that if they thought even a little that the statements of four BP agents didn't support the facts.

Maybe I've become jaded over the years. (Kind of like the recent video of the 'jaywalker' getting throttled by the police. Never a good idea to buff up, talk shit and get ready for a throw down. Cop now has two choices walk away and wait for more or go full retard and take total control. Going half retard usually ends badly!)

Also the United Airlines aka Chicago Aviation Security company are not 'police' and acted like paid Chicago thugs who have not only lost their jobs but will likely end that company from doing business at any airport in Illinois or elsewhere.

[CAARNG 68W]

It's so great that he's a Navy SEAL and that so makes such a difference, because if he was just a regular guy going for a jog along the US-Mexican Border while leaving his wife and young son at the beach, he'd be an ass

[CAARNG 68W]

Some of the comments in the Comment Section are golden:

buck7455:

No evidence of what really happened there but since he has the ACLU working for him I'd assume the Border Patrol was operating within their rights. The ACLU usually defends troublemakers, anarchists and other crazy groups.

ghil92:

I find it interesting that everyone commenting seems to be automatically siding with Jones just because he's a former SEAL. I don't know that he did anything wrong and I'm not trying to say he did, but I also know that no one commenting here--myself included--has all the facts of the case. It seems that if the US Attorney's office is willing to prosecute there must be something to the claims of the Border Patrol agents.
And just as an aside, I was in the Navy and dealt with a few SEALs--they weren't all angels. I'm not trying to imply they're bad people, not at all. But just because they're a SEAL doesn't make them perfect either.

[Axe]

I find it suspicious that no prosecution was apparently made by the US Attorney, and EXTREMELY suspicious that there was apparently not even one sheet of paperwork pertaining to Jones' arrest and detention.

I doubt the Feds are immune to the old rule that five minutes of excitement results in five hours and five inches of paperwork that exists everywhere else.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Axe

I find it suspicious that no prosecution was apparently made by the US Attorney, and EXTREMELY suspicious that there was apparently not even one sheet paperwork pertaining to Jones' arrest and detention.

I doubt the Feds are immune to the old rule that five minutes of excitement results in 5 hours and five inches of paperwork that exists everywhere else.

An detainment or arrest does generate quite the file

[Bleed Green]

Originally Posted by Axe

I find it suspicious that no prosecution was apparently made by the US Attorney, and EXTREMELY suspicious that there was apparently not even one sheet of paperwork pertaining to Jones' arrest and detention.

I doubt the Feds are immune to the old rule that five minutes of excitement results in five hours and five inches of paperwork that exists everywhere else.

In my experience it depends on 2 things for prosecution. Did the FBI recommend prosecution for the alleged assault on a federal official, and what is the position of the US Attorney on such prosecutions. The US Attorney is probably the biggest factor since I have seen them refuse to prosecute drug smugglers unless the individual smuggler was humping 500 lbs or more on their back. Personally if I ever met a mule that could hump that much at one time a tactical retreat may have been the order of the day. They also are kind of skittish on prosecuting unless the agent is hospitalized with life threatening injuries.

As far as paperwork there would have been a report of the prolonged detention if nothing else and I imagine everybody involved would have been pounding out memos at a bare minimum.

[bushmaster11]

It makes it more difficult because POTUS fired all 90+ Federal Prosecutors. To date, none have been replaced.

J R sends
DOL

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by bushmaster11

It makes it more difficult because POTUS fired all 90+ Federal Prosecutors. To date, none have been replaced.

J R sends
DOL

Nothing new there. It happens on most transitions. Hell out acting AUSA is better than the last one.

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Nothing new there. It happens on most transitions. Hell out acting AUSA is better than the last one.

Took me a minute to figure out you weren't talking about the Association of the United States Army. When I lived in N.Va my dad would take me to the convention every year. Then I remembered you work for the gubmint and that acronym takes on a different meaning in your world!