New Army Handgun

[CAARNG 68W]

I nearly posted this in the Weapons Discussion Area, but figured this forum received more traffic.

Half a decade into its search for a new handgun, the Army has chosen Sig Sauer's version of the Modular Handgun System, according to a Thursday announcement from the Army.

The new sidearm will replace the M9 Beretta, the Army's pistol of choice for more than 30 years.

"I am tremendously proud of the Modular Handgun System team," said Army acquisition executive Steffanie Easter in the release. "By maximizing full and open competition across our industry partners, we have optimized private sector advancements in handguns, ammunition and magazines and the end result will ensure a decidedly superior weapon system for our warfighters."

The Army first announced the competition for the MHS back in 2011, but multiple delays left the most recent solicitation deadline at February of 2016.

Sig Sauer beat out Smith & Wesson, Beretta and Glock for the contract worth up to $580 million, which includes firearms, accessories and ammunition.

The Army did not immediately provide any additional information Thursday evening, including specifics on the weapon or the caliber of the round.

"As MHS moves forward into operational testing, the due diligence taken by all of the stakeholders will ensure a program that remains on-budget and on-schedule," Easter said.

After operational testing, the new pistol should be fielded this year, according to the release.

While the Beretta M9 has been the Army's pistol since 1985, the military uses other handguns, including Sig Sauers, particularly in special operations. Green Berets regularly use Glock 9mm pistols, and last year Marine Special Operations allowed use of the 9mm Glock 19. Navy SEALs generally use the Sig Sauer P226 and, on occasion, Heckler & Koch's .45-caliber HK45C.

https://www.armytimes.com/articles/a...be-a-sig-sauer

[JJ_BPK]

Looks like they are talking the P320. A striker fired modular system, where you take in internal "serialized frame" and put in any of four grip slide combos.. The shiny bit in the third pic, w/trigger is the NFA serial numbered "gun" . All the other frames, barrels, slides, & bits are non-NFA, over the counter, parts..

Anyone used one??

[frostfire]

My memory is fuzzy and I might be mixing it up with Sig 250 and 2022, but does the trigger feels like DAO? Also very high bore axis? and more $$$ than glock 19? So much for saving for Uncle Sam. Perhaps Trump will ask for a cheaper pistol

I selfishly wished for glock so no need to undue zillion rounds worth of muscle memory to grip angle, trigger, hands placement, holster,....but I must admit sig incorporated many innovations that "glock perfection" turned a deaf ear to

Congratulations Sig!
I guess better buy one before price shoots up!

looks like good timing to seek employment with sig academy

[SF0]

Were Sig's modular handguns (not to mention quality control) improved? IIRC they were considered range toys only.

[JJ_BPK]

Anyone at SHOT get a chance to fondle the new SIG P320 X-serias??

The X-Carry looks interesting??

Interested in opines...

LAS VEGAS — Sig Sauer introduced the new, high-performance X series to its P320 striker-fired pistol line at SHOT Show 2017.

“This is kind of our new baby; this is the Sig Sauer P320 X-Five,” said Max Michel, team captain of the Sig Sauer Shooting Team. “It’s more of our competition model. We have taken a lot of development I have done over the last year or two in competitions, and we have put them into what shooters and competitors want.”

Sig Sauer introduced the modular P320 series at SHOT 2014. The new X-Five features a 5-inch slide and bull barrel, three cutouts on top of the slide and a Dawson fiber optic front sight.
The rear sight is adjustable and sits on a plate that can be removed for mounting an RMR optic without needing machine work, Michel said.

The X-Five has a more ergonomically-enhanced grip with a slight undercut notch below the trigger guard “so you can get up a little bit higher,” Michel said.

It also features a flared magazine well for fast mag changes and a weighted back strap which helps reduce felt recoil, Michel said.

Sig Sauer has also added a competition-grade flat trigger.

“By having a flat trigger, no matter where you press you are going to get a consistent push straight back,” Michel said.

The P320 X-Five retails for about $1,000 each, which includes four 21-round magazines.

Sig also introduced the P320 X-Carry at SHOT. It’s a concealed-carry version with many of the competition features found on the X-Five.

The X-Carry features a single cutout on top of the slide, improved competition grips and the flat trigger. There’s front night sight and fixed rear sight sitting on a removable plate for RMR mounting.

There is no weight in the back strap, no flared mag well and no bull barrel, Michel said.

The X-Carry retails for $862.

http://kitup.military.com/2017/01/p3...ESRC=dod-bz.nl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGv-y6BWtvc

[frostfire]

I just remembered....

that slide lock/release location is IMHOO a design flaw with the modern/current/competition high-thumbs-at-the sides grip. One inadvertently depresses it down, resulting in failure to slide lock, and you only know you're running a dry gun when it goes click instead of bang. Have sausage fingers and it's worse. Put gloves on top of it and the failure is consistent.
I am sure Max Michel had to modify his grip as well.

Had the privilege of tutoring several SEALs going through the JSOMTC few years back. The always shoot with mechanix on. SOP or something that ingrained from their school house I guess. Any way, they kept getting failure to slide lock and asked me if they should return their SIG for lemon check. I told them to try one handed, left hand only. Zero failures. We had to modify/retrain grip afterwards and he had to almost consciously maintain a thumbs up with the right hand to get slide lock at empty.

[CAARNG 68W]

Originally Posted by frostfire

I just remembered....

that slide lock/release location is IMHOO a design flaw with the modern/current/competition high-thumbs-at-the sides grip. One inadvertently depresses it down, resulting in failure to slide lock, and you only know you're running a dry gun when it goes click instead of bang. Have sausage fingers and it's worse. Put gloves on top of it and the failure is consistent.
I am sure Max Michel had to modify his grip as well.

From personal experience, when I handle a pistol; my middle, ring and pinker finger are flexed. My index finger and thumb are loosed and relaxed. Get the point I'm trying to come across with?

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Dont worry we will get you into glock rehab and get you going on a real firearm.

Savage.

Savage .

Hahahahahaha

Originally Posted by SF718

whats wrong with the Glock 19 or 22.... oh wait, which retired service member is making off on this one?

Accessories for the glock frame are easily available. Units are already trained. It took over 10 years to figure out who would profit the most from X company. Its bullshit. RA might as well stick with the M9 since 99% of RA soldiers can barely qualify.. including SOF with an M9.

It makes no sense until you look at where the money goes. Just like the ACU's or the black beret.

Me thinks it has a lot to do with the modularity of the pistol. Check out HickOK45's video demonstrating the 320. There's a part of him fully stripping the pistol down and showing the trigger mechanism/actual firearm. Fascinating design by SIG, shows how one firearm could fire several calibers.

Gave me thought that the Army may soon abandon the 9 Mil.

[Team Sergeant]

I see the Girl Scouts continue to choose the Army sidearm.

Another great choice, especially if you're a non-combatant.

[Longstreet]

I see the Girl Scouts continue to choose the Army sidearm.

Another great choice, especially if you're a non-combatant.

Hey at least the US Military is in motion. The Canadian Forces are still using Browning sidearms from the 1940's. I am not an expert in handguns, but surely there must have been some major improvements in handgun technology since then.

And to think we are still 10 years out from making a final decision on a newer model...


jaYson

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...other-10-years

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Longstreet

I see the Girl Scouts continue to choose the Army sidearm.

Another great choice, especially if you're a non-combatant.

Hey at least the US Military is in motion. The Canadian Forces are still using Browning sidearms from the 1940's. I am not an expert in handguns, but surely there must have been some major improvements in handgun technology since then.

And to think we are still 10 years out from making a final decision on a newer model...


jaYson

Canadian Forces
I've no doubts your socialist leaders see it as an extremely unnecessary expense, especially when they are spending money for free drugs/safes-spaces for drug addicts.

And your "socialist government" could give a shit about its military forces when the most powerful nation on the planet is on your southern border and you are in very good standings. Seriously, why would you spend a dime on a real military? That's not what socialists governments do, well, except to protect themselves, the socialist politicians.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Nothing wrong with the hi-power. They are reliable and accurate. They have had a few upgrades over the years as well. Newer is not always better. In reality how often is a handgun needed in the military? It is usually a last ditch weapon for the average soldier but gets a lot of attention. One of the main weapon in wide use is as old if not older, the M-2 50 cal machine gun. John Browning designed it well before WWII and I don't hear a lot of complaints about it. I bet the M-2 is used a lot more than issue handguns.

Not if you're an antique gun collector no......

[blue02hd]

I still carry my BHP on occasions.

Slim, light, 13+ 1 of Silver Tip HP.

Rides flatter than my Glock 19, and lighter than my Kimber 45 compact.

Then again I still have my original Ranger HB too.

[Longstreet]

And your "socialist government" could give a shit about its military forces when the most powerful nation on the planet is on your southern border and you are in very good standings. Seriously, why would you spend a dime on a real military? That's not what socialists governments do, well, except to protect themselves, the socialist politicians.

I humbly disagree with your comment about not having a "real military". While we are not as large as the US military, we are highly trained and extremely capable given our resources and should never be underestimated. We do train with US Forces and from what I understand, the exercises are never a wash with US or Canadian victories. Our snipers are superb as is our SOF - which from my understanding has been requested several times by US Military leaders to help in US missions.

Unfortunately you are right about our socialist government. But what can you expect? Mr. Trudeau's extensive experience comes from being a high school drama teacher and oh yeah, his father was Pierre Trudeau. I will have you know there are no other world leaders who take selfies as much as our PM. I am positive he and Mr. Trump will get along fine.


jaYson

[Razor]

Just speculation on my part, but I suspect that the fact that Glock does not have and would not add a specific, manual safety lever played an important role in the selection of the Sig. Note that most commercial 320s don't have a safety, but the MHS submission does. Big Army really, really, really likes safeties (the M11 notwithstanding).

[scooter]

Originally Posted by Razor

Just speculation on my part, but I suspect that the fact that Glock does not have and would not add a specific, manual safety lever played an important role in the selection of the Sig. Note that most commercial 320s don't have a safety, but the MHS submission does. Big Army really, really, really likes safeties (the M11 notwithstanding).

I would put money on this as the primary selection reason in this case.