Did the United States steal Texas from Mexico?

Paslode · 05-04-2016, 16:04

My youngest comes home today and says Hey Dad, my social studies teacher told us today that the United States stole Texas and the New Mexico region from Mexico.

I hate when teachers plant these type of seeds instead of educating kids on the differing viewpoints.

So my question is, did the US steal Texas and the New Mexico region from Mexico?

Streck-Fu · 05-04-2016, 16:40

Texas fought for and won independence from Mexico in 1836. The US recognized Texas at the time but did not annex it then. Mexico threatened war with the US if they did.
There was an active dispute over some territories that are now part of New Mexico and Colorado that the US eventually helped the Texans secure after the recognized territory of Texas was annexed.

I equate those claiming that the US stole Texas with those claiming all native Indians were peaceful victims of European and American aggression.

Oldrotorhead · 05-04-2016, 16:45

Here is a quick time line for Texas.

http://www.thestoryoftexas.com/disco...story-timeline

Tell "teacher" to support the claim that the US stole Texas from Mexico or publicly retract the statement.

**Pete** · 05-04-2016, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

Here is a quick time line for Texas.

http://www.thestoryoftexas.com/disco...story-timeline

Tell "teacher" to support the claim that the US stole Texas from Mexico or publicly retract the statement.

They have Indians on horses well before 1492.

Oldrotorhead · 05-04-2016, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Pete

They have Indians on horses well before 1492.

The time line shows when they moved into Texas not when they stole their first horse.

**PRB** · 05-04-2016, 18:16

...and the Spaniards (those with Spanish names) stole it from the Indians...etc. etc....what a stupid ass of a teacher.
Congressman Grijalva of Tucson maybe?

mark46th · 05-04-2016, 18:39

Have the teacher look up the Gadsen Purchase, too. We bought the lower parts of New Mexico and Arizona from Mexico and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which set the borders between Mexico and Texas...

**Joker** · 05-04-2016, 19:14

I had a book written by Capt. Jack "Coffee" Hayes, one of the original Texas Rangers, and participant in the revolution and the Mexican-American War. In the book he had a map that showed the map of what they claimed, it spread to the California coast and took all of Cali east to what is now Oklahoma (excluded OK).

scooter · 05-04-2016, 19:16

We stole Texas from Mexico to the same extent that Mexico stole Mexico from the Spanish.

Before the Spanish, those in Mexico did not own Texas. The Comanche did. And we've pretty much killed all of them. So.....

cbtengr · 05-04-2016, 20:07

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Originally Posted by scooter

We stole Texas from Mexico to the same extent that Mexico stole Mexico from the Spanish.

Before the Spanish, those in Mexico did not own Texas. The Comanche did. And we've pretty much killed all of them. So.....

To the victor go the spoils................. Since the beginning of civilization nothing has changed regarding this.

PSM · 05-04-2016, 20:38

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Originally Posted by PRB

Congressman Grijalva of Tucson maybe?

Rawooooooooolll!

Hold on guys, I may want to be part of Mexico in a few months.

Pat

Paslode · 05-04-2016, 21:05

Here is the work sheet, it is titled 'Was the United States Justified in Going to War with Mexico?'

http://troxelsclassroom.com/uploads/...417/ush1_6.pdf

So it appears they are asking for an opinion on the subject which is based on the contents of the documentation.

Notes on the back provided by the teacher......

Yes!

1. Manifest Destiny
2. We were attacked

No....

1. Polk provoked the war (and lied to Congress)
2. We were just taking land from our neighbor
3. Slavery may expand into more states in the US

As far as I can tell there is no mention of the battle of San Jauncito, nor did I find any mention that Texas was its own country for 10 years prior to the US annexation.
Both of which are very important events......reading the Mini-Q it would be easy to see how a 7th grader might come away thinking the US merely took the land from the poor Mexicans.

Divemaster · 05-04-2016, 21:32

Such a small world. My antique map collecting interest of late has steered towards maps that show, as they highlight in the auctions and on map dealer sites, "Texas as an Independent Republic". For North America collectors this is a sub category just as "California as an Island" (I wish!) is.

I think the teacher is getting history lessons from progressive/socialist sociologists rather than from historians.

**Box** · 05-04-2016, 21:43

Yes... we stole texas.
...we stole New Mexico too
...we also stole New Engand
...we stole the mid-atlantic states
...we stole the recipe for kool aid
...we stole lightsaber technolgy form the sith and used it to produce those crazy lights you see underneath of street-racers
...we stole an aliens spaceship and locked him up in a secret prison

We will gladly give ALL of that shit back...
...You just have to come and get it.

SF_BHT · 05-04-2016, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

Yes... we stole texas.
...we stole New Mexico too
...we also stole New Engand
...we stole the mid-atlantic states
...we stole the recipe for kool aid
...we stole lightsaber technolgy form the sith and used it to produce those crazy lights you see underneath of street-racers
...we stole an aliens spaceship and locked him up in a secret prison

We will gladly give ALL of that shit back...
...You just have to come and get it.

But Billy they have come here to get it. All I have to do is look left and right here in NM and all is see is Mexicans. They have taken it back without a war.....