Tennessee's first female 12B goes AWOL

cbtengr · 02-04-2016, 14:30

http://www.local8now.com/content/new...367601961.html

She must have figured out that her recruiter lied to her about operating a dozer in the Combat Engineers. Evidently she was on convalescent leave and decided not to come back.

Iowa NG has it's first female 12 B enlistee, she was on the news the other night and proclaimed how women can do the same things as men. There will be some 12B tasks that she will do as good as any man but it will not be all of the 12B tasks. Which means others in her squad will have to make up the slack.

CAARNG 68W · 02-04-2016, 14:35

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Spokesperson Tiffany Wood issued a statement saying, "After 30 days in an AWOL status, a Soldier is considered a deserter and a
federal warrant is issued for his or her arrest. "

Wood says once Private Erika Lopez is arrested she'll be taken to the nearest military installment and handed over to military police.

I had no idea feminism could turn a woman into a wanted criminal

**The Reaper** · 02-04-2016, 14:45

So, the net effect of this experiment is that the Army has wasted the training and the unit is missing an Engineer private.

I will wager she is chaptered out with little if any punishment and no publicity.

TR

abc_123 · 02-04-2016, 18:20

Well she proved that she was as good at going AWOL as any male 12B would be. So I guess that can be seen as a small measure of success!

Sohei · 02-04-2016, 18:21

I certainly hope her punishment is equal to that which would be received by a male who committed the same crime.

We shall see...however, I highly doubt it.

abc_123 · 02-04-2016, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Agoge2

I certainly hope her punishment is equal to that which would be received by a male who committed the same crime.

We shall see...however, I highly doubt it.

There will be no punishment, as that simply delays the process of getting her gone, which is what the unit probably wants anyway (oh, and her CIF Issue). Hopefully she was nice enough to leave all her gear in her locker. Or maybe the unit can get her to stop by the armory to turn it all in and sign some paperwork (which makes it easier and quicker then having to send certified mail and wait for the response that will never come). Maybe if they think they have to, they'll offer her a day's pay to incentivise her.

She'll get her General discharge and everyone will be happy.

Win Win.

JimP · 02-05-2016, 06:10

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Originally Posted by abc_123

There will be no punishment, as that simply delays the process of getting her gone, which is what the unit probably wants anyway (oh, and her CIF Issue). Hopefully she was nice enough to leave all her gear in her locker. Or maybe the unit can get her to stop by the armory to turn it all in and sign some paperwork (which makes it easier and quicker then having to send certified mail and wait for the response that will never come). Maybe if they think they have to, they'll offer her a day's pay to incentivise her.

She'll get her General discharge and everyone will be happy.

Win Win.

I'm not even sure she'll suffer the adverse effects of a "general" discharge. remember, the States operate under their own UCMJ. As a Guard member, she falls under the State. This is VERY common. Troops just walk away and never come back. A LOT of officers do this as well. In my last job we were responsible for the training of all the Reserve and Guard units throughout the Country (First Army). When the officers did this, the only thing we could do was to do a Withdrawal Of Federal Recognition (WOFR) packet on them. It just withdraws the ability of the officer to have any federal recognition of their State commission. The officers literally commit egregious criminal acts and so long as they are NOT on federal status at the time, there is NOTHING other than a WOFR the Army can do. Most often the States will do nothing as the troop will be prosecuted by the state criminal laws.

I could literally write a book on sexual assaults committed by NG soldiers just prior to being federalized and deployed overseas, (usually at the MOB station). The command KNOWING about it and deploying them anyways; and then having the vicim start raising hell when nothing is done against the perp while they are all downrange.

In my opinion, the whole Guard being "deployable" issue is a farce. Not worth the $$$ we sink into them for the few missions they are able to do overseas.

Richard · 02-05-2016, 07:15

This kind of thing happens. Always has. Personally, I hope that she's okay and wonder if there were mitigating or extenuating reasons for her behavior. If not...well, that's a problem demanding a reasonable consequence.

Richard

JJ_BPK · 02-05-2016, 07:29

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Originally Posted by Richard

Personally, I hope that she's okay and wonder if there were mitigating or extenuating reasons for her behavior.

I was thinking the same?? In the video interview she was very upbeat and POS..

I also think the MSM hyped up the "combat engineer" MOS. She would not be an IED specialist anytime soon. She would need,, maybe,, one rotation as a truck driver before she was trained to do IED mitigation??

An E2 is not "clearing IED's"...

DIYPatriot · 02-05-2016, 09:04

I would sure hate to be one of her Drill Sgts right now. I'm sure someone is asking what they did or didn't do to set up her for success. Clearly, this can't be all Pvt Lopez's fault.

02-05-2016, 10:03

Why the need to judge someone without knowing all the FACTS? That article doesn't say much. For all we know she could have been kidnapped or murdered.

abc_123 · 02-05-2016, 10:21

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Originally Posted by JimP

I'm not even sure she'll suffer the adverse effects of a "general" discharge. remember, the States operate under their own UCMJ. As a Guard member, she falls under the State. This is VERY common. Troops just walk away and never come back. A LOT of officers do this as well. In my last job we were responsible for the training of all the Reserve and Guard units throughout the Country (First Army). When the officers did this, the only thing we could do was to do a Withdrawal Of Federal Recognition (WOFR) packet on them. It just withdraws the ability of the officer to have any federal recognition of their State commission. The officers literally commit egregious criminal acts and so long as they are NOT on federal status at the time, there is NOTHING other than a WOFR the Army can do. Most often the States will do nothing as the troop will be prosecuted by the state criminal laws.

I could literally write a book on sexual assaults committed by NG soldiers just prior to being federalized and deployed overseas, (usually at the MOB station). The command KNOWING about it and deploying them anyways; and then having the vicim start raising hell when nothing is done against the perp while they are all downrange.

In my opinion, the whole Guard being "deployable" issue is a farce. Not worth the $$$ we sink into them for the few missions they are able to do overseas.

Wow it’s been a few months since someone posted innuendo and gross generalizations bashing the ARNG as a whole for things that are an individual chain of command issue. The wait is officially over! As an added bonus in your case we get some good old fashioned professional officer bashing thrown in along with a 1st Army war story! It was breathtaking how you essentially lumped the majority of us ARNG Officers as criminals, rapists or those who would cover that stuff up. A very impressive troll indeed! I sincerely mean that.

But, don’t let my opinion stop you… No one ever does anything jacked up on Active Duty, no one has ever gotten off easy when they shouldn't have, the Army pursues and tracks down all AWOLS, and it has never deferred prosecution to allow civilian prosecution of an offense.

By the way what "few missions" have the ARNG done overseas?

MR2 · 02-05-2016, 11:15

With golf shoes JimP. Seriously.

TOMAHAWK9521 · 02-05-2016, 11:28

Oh yeah. The guard is all screwed up. We all work at Walmart, Ace Hardware or as a part-time bagger at the local grocery store. Now, I know I'm just a former lowly 5/19 guy, but JimP, you might want to make sure you shake out your shorts after you finish pounding sand.

**Team Sergeant** · 02-05-2016, 11:44

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

So, the net effect of this experiment is that the Army has wasted the training and the unit is missing an Engineer private.

I will wager she is chaptered out with little if any punishment and no publicity.

TR

I bet she receives more punishment than the coward, traitor and bottom feeding Bergdahl.....