01-12-2016, 16:15
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Options? Did I screw myself?
I bought a Para Ordinance Wharthog (3in 1911, 10+1 in .45) at a pawn shop ($499)
Took it to the range today - multiple failure to fires, hammer does not stay back when slide cycles and will not fire unless hammer is fully back.
Went back to said pawn shop and the "gun guy" was off today. Left him a note.
Never had an issue with a used firearm before. Thoughts?
Thx-
Joe
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01-12-2016, 16:26
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Broken sear or hammer. Should be cheap fix. Would not shoot it again until inspected and fixed. Might go full auto on you.
My uneducated opinion
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01-12-2016, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
. Might go full auto on you.
My uneducated opinion
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Uneducated or not...there was a "double fire" that occurred today while at the range... 
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-12-2016, 16:29
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The 1911, was state of the art, one hundred and five years ago..... enjoy.
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01-12-2016, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
The 1911, was state of the art, one hundred and five years ago..... enjoy.
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LOL...
Thanks Boss...
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-12-2016, 16:38
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I've been saying it for over a decade now......
You would only buy a model T to look at as artwork and drive on very rare occasions.....
Why would you purchase a pistol that the design has not changed in 105 years? (And neither have the malfunctions)
If you're in dire need of a real pistol I've got a couple I'd be happy to lend you, they are "state of the art".
Tell me doc, do you still employ 105 year old medicine?
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01-12-2016, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I've been saying it for over a decade now......
You would only buy a model T to look at as artwork and drive on very rare occasions.....
Why would you purchase a pistol that the design has not changed in 105 years? (And neither have the malfunctions)
If you're in dire need of a real pistol I've got a couple I'd be happy to lend you, they are "state of the art".
Tell me doc, do you still employ 105 year old medicine?
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Digitalis comes to mind, in the Merck Manual back in 1899. Some Doctor probably prescribed it to J.B. Himself! 
There's always a smartass medic on the team!
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01-12-2016, 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I've been saying it for over a decade now......
You would only buy a model T to look at as artwork and drive on very rare occasions.....
Why would you purchase a pistol that the design has not changed in 105 years? (And neither have the malfunctions)
If you're in dire need of a real pistol I've got a couple I'd be happy to lend you, they are "state of the art".
Tell me doc, do you still employ 105 year old medicine?
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I do have a number of excellent "modern" firearms...to include the P2000 that I have carried near daily for the past 10-12 years. Never fails to fire, highly accurate.
I've also got various Sigs, HKs, Springfield XD's, and M&Ps, but sometimes you run across that pistol you wanted 10 years ago and happened to find it at nearly 1/2 price and you just gotta give it a run...
Well-I gave it a run and the damned thing doesn't work.
$500 mistake for certain- it was between this one and a new Sig in 40 that I was looking at for the same price.
More directly to your question...
Direct pressure has been noted
To stop bleeding as far back as the Greeks...so in some instances, a little nostalgia can indeed be a useful thing��
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Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-12-2016, 17:32
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Warthog's are running around 650-700 on gunbroker.com, so your price is good..
Contact Para about warrenty.
I have been able to get S&W to fix small problems for very small pile of pasos,
AND they tend to throw in a trigger job, gratis..
I agree with the other comments.
I'm betting someone:
1)put a new trigger in without a new sear & hammer
2)tried to "lighten" the springs
3)"tuned" the hammer/sear engagement notch
4)all of the above..
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01-12-2016, 18:55
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I bought the same pistol back when it was called the P-10.
This pistol is one of the smallest .45s made and operates barely on the bleeding edge of reliability. Things that a 1911 could shrug off and keep chugging will stop this pistol dead in its tracks.
Mine had a serious problem of not firing when the trigger was pulled, which my second gunsmith traced to a defective "Series 80" type firing pin block.
Since then, it has been reliable, but I didn't fully trust it anymore and the P-12 was not that much larger.
Many of the small parts on the Warthog are (or used to be) Metal Injection Molded, and are subject to early failure.
Finally, once Para was bought out by the same mega corporation that sucked up Remington, Marlin, etc., and their QC frankly went to shit. There were serious problems with the Para pistols, and particularly the magazines.
I would either return it, or BPT invest in some gunsmithing or new parts.
If you send it back to Para and it has modified or aftermarket parts in it already, they may deny warranty service. Even then, you should be able to get it repaired by any decent 1911 'smith.
Good luck, hermano!
TR
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01-12-2016, 18:58
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
I bought the same pistol back when it was called the P-10.
This pistol is one of the smallest .45s made and operates barely on the bleeding edge of reliability. Things that a 1911 could shrug off and keep chugging will stop this pistol dead in its tracks.
Mine had a serious problem of not firing when the trigger was pulled, which my second gunsmith traced to a defective "Series 80" type firing pin block.
Since then, it has been reliable, but I didn't fully trust it anymore and the P-12 was not that much larger.
Many of the small parts on the Warthog are (or used to be) Metal Injection Molded, and are subject to early failure.
Finally, once Para was bought out by the same mega corporation that sucked up Remington, Marlin, etc., and their QC frankly went to shit. There were serious problems with the Para pistols, and particularly the magazines.
I would either return it, or BPT invest in some gunsmithing or new parts.
If you send it back to Para and it has modified or aftermarket parts in it already, they may deny warranty service. Even then, you should be able to get it repaired by any decent 1911 'smith.
Good luck, hermano!
TR
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If you dusted off a cobweb or two...I believe it was you who turned me on to the P2000 to begin with.
It has been, and to this day is, my favorite carry and fire weapon.
Much appreciated as always for words of wisdom - I do hope we will meet up soon.
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-12-2016, 19:25
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
The 1911, was state of the art, one hundred and five years ago..... enjoy.
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I'm with you...I don't get the Kimber crowd spending big dough on an antique.
For fun maybe, not for carry.
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01-12-2016, 19:27
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I'm with you...I don't get the Kimber crowd spending big dough on an antique.
For fun maybe, not for carry.
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Bought 3 Kimbers...returned three Kimbers and vowed never to buy another.
Great "name" - poor reliability...
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-12-2016, 22:20
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Joe, if you go with the gunsmith route, Dave Salyer has kept countless 1911 running since the 80's (yes TS, he won't have the long productive career if folks are shooting H&K at the nationals ). I've found his price most reasonable and I spent months asking around to include the guy who fixes MARSOC 1911.
salyer@comporium.net
803 448 5110 text or call
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01-13-2016, 07:02
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Joe, if you go with the gunsmith route, Dave Salyer has kept countless 1911 running since the 80's (yes TS, he won't have the long productive career if folks are shooting H&K at the nationals ). I've found his price most reasonable and I spent months asking around to include the guy who fixes MARSOC 1911.
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Many thanks-
I may give him a shout. 
Joe
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Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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