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Old 12-31-2004, 10:32   #1
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Single Government ID Moves Closer to Reality
High-Tech Cards Are Designed to Bolster Security

By Christopher Lee
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page A25

Federal officials are developing government-wide identification card standards for federal employees and contractors to prevent terrorists, criminals and other unauthorized people from getting into government buildings and computer systems.

The effort, known as the Personal Identity Verification Project, stems from a homeland security-related presidential directive and is being managed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a Commerce Department agency with offices in Gaithersburg.

In his Aug. 27 directive, President Bush said that "wide variations in the quality and security of forms of identification used to gain access to secure federal and other facilities where there is potential for terrorist attacks need to be eliminated." Bush called for the development of "secure and reliable forms of identification" for federal workers and contract employees.

To that end, federal officials want to replace the existing piecemeal system of agency-level ID cards with "smart cards" that are hard to counterfeit, resistant to tampering and difficult to use by anyone other than the rightful card-holder if lost or stolen.

The new generation of ID cards must be able to digitally store biometric data such as facial photographs and fingerprint images, bear contact and contactless interfaces, and allow the encryption of data that can be used to electronically verify the user's identity, according to NIST draft standards.

Such cards will be required for all federal employees, including members of the military, as well as for employees of private organizations and state and local governments who regularly require access to federally controlled facilities and computer systems. That is a universe of more than 2 million people, said W. Curt Barker, the project manager at NIST.

Barker said the new standards will include tougher background check requirements before many recipients can get their agency ID card. Access to particularly sensitive offices or systems still will require higher clearance, he said.

"There's wide variations in the quality and security of the forms of identification that people use to get access to federal facilities," he said. ". . . To be completely foolproof will be extraordinarily difficult, but we can raise the risk for the terrorist or other person who wants to fraudulently enter a facility and make it a little bit more difficult for them to get in."

The common standard also will enable many employees who shuttle between departments to enter different buildings with one card. NIST, which has spent about $1 million on the project so far, expects to complete the new standards by late February. Employees could start using the new cards as early as fall 2005, Barker said.

Several departments, notably defense, transportation and interior, began developing more secure, high-tech ID cards long before Bush issued the directive, he said. The trend ultimately could affect private sector workers, as well. Experts say the federal government's adoption of tighter ID card standards could spur more private businesses to follow suit.

Some federal employees have concerns about the new cards.

Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, which represents more than 150,000 federal workers in 30 agencies, said the proposed standard would permit agencies to print employees' pay grade and rank on the new cards, which many workers would consider an invasion of privacy.

"For example, an agency might seize upon this technology as a means to track employees as they move throughout a building," Kelley said in written comments to NIST last week. "That is troubling, standing alone. It would be particularly objectionable if the agency tried to track visits to particular sites such as the union office, Employee Assistance Program offices and the inspector general's office."

NIST has gathered comments on the draft standard from more than 500 entities and individuals but has not made them public.

On Jan. 19, the agency will hold a public meeting at the Potomac Center Plaza in downtown Washington to discuss policy, privacy and security concerns associated with the development of the new ID card standard. Anyone who wants to attend must preregister by Jan. 11 by e-mailing Sara Caswell, a NIST official, at sara@nist.gov, according to a notice in yesterday's Federal Register. Questions regarding registration can be directed to Caswell at (301) 975-4634.
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Old 12-31-2004, 10:32   #2
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Old 12-31-2004, 10:55   #3
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I think it's a good idea.

Anything that looks at improving our internal security, I'm all for it. If some emloyees of our government can't stand the thought of someone knowing where they are in the office, then they need to get another job.
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Old 12-31-2004, 11:13   #4
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I think its a great idea, long overdue. Some of the objections are a little ridiculous in my opinion, YMMV.

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Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, which represents more than 150,000 federal workers in 30 agencies, said the proposed standard would permit agencies to print employees' pay grade and rank on the new cards, which many workers would consider an invasion of privacy.
Govt Employees salaries are public knowledge, the taxpayers have a legal right to know what they are paying you. No right to privacy when it comes to that as is, the grade on a card will only make it easier for fellow employees to see your paygrade. Unless he has been lying to the girls at the water cooler all these years about his GS level. Then I could see an issue.


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"For example, an agency might seize upon this technology as a means to track employees as they move throughout a building," Kelley said in written comments to NIST last week. "That is troubling, standing alone. It would be particularly objectionable if the agency tried to track visits to particular sites such as the union office, Employee Assistance Program offices and the inspector general's office."
Cant they do that with cameras already? Havent they tried this same argument against cameras for years, and lost every time. As an employer I dont have a right to know who is in my building and where? Especially in high security govt buildings shouldnt I be doing this already? I could of course probably use it to figure out how much time he spends at that water cooler telling BS stories to those same girls in the office. I really just dont see an issue here. These are things we should have been doing years ago, and those that protest the most are probably not afraid of losing privacy. Probably afraid they wont be able to get away with screwing off anymore and will have to actually earn their paychecks for a change.
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Old 12-31-2004, 11:38   #5
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Thumbs up About time!

The Government has been mulling this over for too long. People who complain about invasions of privacy should take a moment to understand just how little "privacy" they have. At the push of a few buttons any agency can find out your address, type of vehicles you own (or owned in the past), telephone numbers (even the unlisted ones), spouse information, previous alias(s), fingerprint info, past criminal history, etc. The net is just as invasive.

You provide information and a picture for a drivers license but you'll bitch when it's a security measure? Nope, that is a huge bucket of BS! With the AFIS system in place over the last ten or twelve years everyone is already in the FBI database if you have been fingerprinted. It is easy to set up an entry point for a fingerprint ID check and swipe of the ID card prior to entering sensitive areas. This has been a glaring lack of security for so long and I'm glad it is finally being addressed.
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Old 12-31-2004, 12:08   #6
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Old 12-31-2004, 12:12   #7
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Good idea, but I see some problems with folks that work covered assignments and use registered aliases. The biometrics won't change but that data will not match with the other open information when the alias or other "covered" aspects of the individual is presented.

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I like it.

Add in fingerprinting and full retinal scans too.
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Old 01-01-2005, 11:35   #9
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Good idea, but I see some problems with folks that work covered assignments and use registered aliases. The biometrics won't change but that data will not match with the other open information when the alias or other "covered" aspects of the individual is presented.

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I would think with it being national, it would facilitate "changes".
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I like it; however. have some reservactions about the security of the data collected and who would have access to it. I would also hope that it would speed things through TSA checks at the airports.
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National ID cards on the way?
Published: February 14, 2005, 4:00 AM PST
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

A recent vote in Congress endorsing standardized, electronically readable driver's licenses has raised fears about whether the proposal would usher in what amounts to a national ID card.

In a vote that largely divided along party lines, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a Republican-backed measure that would compel states to design their driver's licenses by 2008 to comply with federal antiterrorist standards. Federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to everything from airplanes to national parks and some courthouses.

The congressional maneuvering takes place as governments are growing more interested in implanting technology in ID cards to make them smarter and more secure. The U.S. State Department soon will begin issuing passports with radio frequency identification, or RFID, chips embedded in them, and Virginia may become the first state to glue RFID tags into all its driver's licenses.

"Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary," Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, one of the eight Republicans to object to the measure, said during the floor debate this week. "However, any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens. They will not be able to fly or to take a train."

Paul warned that the legislation, called the Real ID Act, gives unfettered authority to the Department of Homeland Security to design state ID cards and driver's licenses. Among the possibilities: biometric information such as retinal scans, fingerprints, DNA data and RFID tracking technology.

Proponents of the Real ID Act say it adheres to the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and is needed to frustrate both terrorists and illegal immigrants. Only a portion of the legislation regulates ID cards; the rest deals with immigration law and asylum requests. "American citizens have the right to know who is in their country, that people are who they say they are, and that the name on the driver's license is the real holder's name, not some alias," F. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., said last week.

"If these commonsense reforms had been in place in 2001, they would have hindered the efforts of the 9/11 terrorists, and they will go a long way toward helping us prevent another tragedy like 9/11," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

Now the Real ID Act heads to the Senate, where its future is less certain. Senate rules make it easier for politicians to derail legislation, and an aide said Friday that Sen. Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, was concerned about portions of the bill.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on a terrorism subcommittee, said "I basically support the thrust of the bill" in an e-mail to CNET News.com on Friday. "The federal government should have the ability to issue standards that all driver's licenses and identification documents should meet."

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National ID cards are nothing new, of course. Many European, Asian and South American countries require their citizens to carry such documents at all times, with legal punishments in place for people caught without them. Other nations that share the English common law tradition, including Australia and New Zealand, have rejected such schemes.

A host of political, cultural and even religious concerns has prevented a national ID from being adopted in the United States, even during the tumultuous days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that ushered in the Patriot Act.

Conservatives and libertarians typically argue that a national ID card will increase the power of the government, and they fear the dehumanizing effects of laws enacted as a result. Civil liberties groups tend to worry about the administrative problems, the opportunities for criminal mischief, and the potential irreversibility of such a system.

Some evangelical Christians have likened such a proposal to language in the Bible warning "that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." That mark is the sign of the "end times," according to evangelical thinking, which predicts that anyone who accepts the mark will be doomed to eternal torment.

Those long-standing concerns have become more pointed recently, thanks to the opportunity for greater tracking--as well as potentially greater security for ID documents--that technologies such as RFID provide. Though the Real ID act does not specify RFID or biometric technology, it requires that the Department of Homeland Security adopt "machine-readable technology" standards and provides broad discretion in how to do it.

An ad hoc alliance of privacy groups and technologists recently has been fighting proposals from the International Civil Aviation Organization to require that passports and other travel documents be outfitted with biometrics and remotely readable RFID-type "contact-less integrated circuits."

The ICAO, a United Nations organization, argues the measures are necessary to reduce fraud, combat terrorism and improve airline security. But its critics have raised questions about how the technology could be misused by identity thieves with RFID readers, and they say it would "promote irresponsible national behavior."

In the United States, the federal government is planning to embed RFID chips in all U.S. passports and some foreign visitor's documents. The U.S. State Department is now evaluating so-called e-passport technology from eight different companies. The agency plans to select a supplier and issue the first e-passports this spring, starting in Los Angeles, and predicts that all U.S. passport agencies will be issuing them within a year.

The high-tech passports are supposed to deter theft and forgeries, as well as accelerate immigration checks at airports and borders. They'll contain within their covers a miniscule microchip that stores basic data, including the passport holder's name, date of birth and place of birth. The chip, which can transmit information through a tiny included antenna, also has enough room to store biometric data such as digitized fingerprints, photographs and iris scans.

Border officials can compare the information on the chip to that on the rest of the passport and to the person actually carrying it. Discrepancies could signal foul play.

In a separate program, the Department of Homeland Security plans to issue RFID devices to foreign visitors that enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

The idea is to aid immigration officials in tracking visitors' arrivals and departures and snare those who overstay their visas. Similar to e-passports, the new system should speed up inspection procedures. It's part of the US-VISIT program, a federal initiative designed to capture and share data such as fingerprints and photographs of foreign visitors.

A "Trojan horse"
The legislation approved by the House last Thursday follows a related measure President Bush signed into law in December. That law gives the Transportation Department two years to devise standard rules for state licenses, requires information to be stored in "machine-readable" format, and says noncompliant ID cards won't be accepted by federal agencies.

But critics fret that the new bill goes even further. It shifts authority to the Department of Homeland Security, imposes more requirements for identity documents on states, and gives the department carte blanche to do nearly anything else "to protect the national security interests of the United States."

"In reality, this bill is a Trojan horse," said Paul, the Republican congressman. "It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: our constitutionally protected liberty."

Unlike last year's measure, the Real ID Act "doesn't even mention the word 'privacy,'" said Marv Johnson, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union.

"What I think the House is planning on doing is attaching this bill to tsunami relief or money to the troops," Johnson says. "When they send it to the Senate, the Senate will have to either fish or cut bait. They can approve it or ask for a conference committee, at which point the House can say 'they're playing games with national security.'"

In response to a question about a national ID card, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters on Friday that "the president supports the legislation that just passed the House." McClellan pointed to a statement from the White House earlier in the week that endorsed it.

Another section of the Real ID Act that has raised alarms is the linking of state Department of Motor Vehicles databases, which was not part of last year's law. Among the information that must be shared: "All data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards" and complete drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions and points on licenses.

Some senators have indicated they may rewrite part of the measure once they begin deliberations.

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., chairman of a terrorism subcommittee, is readying his own bill that will be introduced within a few weeks, spokesman Andrew Wilder said on Friday. "He has been at work on his own version of things," Wilder said. "Senator Kyl does support biometric identifiers."

CNET News.com's Alorie Gilbert contributed to this report.
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Old 02-20-2005, 09:27   #12
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I have tons of opinions on many angles of this 1) I like it and think everybody should have one 2) It stinks and somebody is going to abuse it.

I just remember when DNA sampling became big in the Army. It got to the point that you had to have a sample taken before you could go on a deployment. Many were afraid that the system would be abused. We were assured that it would only be used to ID bodies returned to the states. The Army said "Trust me" and we got the test.

Not too many years later the system was used to help ID (IIRC) a rape/assult suspect somewhere around Texas. Some type of court order was involved about the information, it was at hand and should be used. You lawyers, update please.

As with any system the person with access has the ability to abuse it. Think how many orders with SSNs on them are floating around a military base. A private at main post or the trash man can use that information to mess some people up.

All things considered - I like it.

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Not too many years later the system was used to help ID (IIRC) a rape/assult suspect somewhere around Texas.
And this is bad how?
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I had no problem with the case. The point was that the information was used for something it was not intended. With slick lawyers, the freedom of information act and government poges/REMF types, many of whom are political appointees I am concerned about the amount or information that is floating around and available to somebody with access.

I'm not dodging any black helicopters flying over my house but I am concerned.

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To be blunt I don't really like the idea. Primarly because it will be abused by bureacrats and such.

I think we can increase our level of national security by being more competent and interjecting some common sense. I'm tremedously UNIMPRESSED by TSA security...I think its mostly window-dressing. Being a gringo with more freaking ID cards than you can shake a stick at, I'm ALWAYS BEING SEARCHED at airports for example. Honestly how many white, brown-haired, middle-aged males with 4 ID cards( one being US Embassy, 1 military, 1 contractor) have hijacked a plane???
My girlfriend a blonde-haired, green-eyed gal with big tits IS ALWAYS SEARCHED by some goober who makes her take her sandles off. Guess they have a foot fetish.

Also the more I'm around Federal agents in general...I sometimes wonder how they tie their shoes in the morning.

The good ones I have worked with mostly seem kinda tired of beating their head against the wall. And they tell me horror stories of stupidity by their respective agencies.

Even in the current security sitituation I truely believe the last thing we need is a national ID card. More common sense is the answer.

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