09-21-2015, 08:58
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Driving Question
Who thought it was a good idea to give 15-16 year olds a drivers license?
We can't drink until 21. But we can die for our country at 18.
And we can kill others with cars at 15-16.
Add a mobile phone to a teenager and a car doing 45+ and see what happens. (I see and avoid it almost daily now)
I've got to get out of this big city ASAP, or buy an MRAP to drive.
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09-21-2015, 09:04
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Location, location, location,,,,
My cousins in Missouri were driving at 14. Of course they were also bailing hay, plowing fields, and running 35hp johnny boats on the Missouri to check trout lines, but yeah my uncle would be in the boat. With a cold Coors, and some sort of firearm.
Now they run their own businesses in construction.
Not all apples fall from the same tree.
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09-21-2015, 09:10
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It would be nice if the US went to a scaled license like that used in Germany... learner's permit, 18 mo of training, then a novice license in grades until one has enough driving experience to pass the test as a fully licensed driver.
Any violations during leaner/novice and it's back to the beginning and all of the associated costs... which, btw, are VERY expensive.
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09-21-2015, 09:35
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Location, location, location,,,,
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I agree 100%.
Here in the Phoenix area we have the "Driving Dead" and we have the "Driving Cellphone Idiots".
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09-21-2015, 10:44
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Well, we just had a 64 year-old woman drive into a flooded wash, on Sat., just 1/4 mile from us. She still hasn't been found. I'm not sure age is the problem.
Pat
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09-21-2015, 11:17
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Lighten up, Francis. Jeez, you are turning into a serious fuddy-duddy.
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09-21-2015, 12:23
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Obtaining (and retaining) a drivers license should require passing a test which measures intelligence and common sense.
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09-21-2015, 12:37
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Obtaining (and retaining) a drivers license should require passing a test which measures intelligence and common sense.
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You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
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09-21-2015, 13:57
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Quote:
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You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
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We already have that.
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09-21-2015, 14:06
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Quote:
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You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
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What was I thinking.......
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09-21-2015, 15:17
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First wreck I ever worked was a lady running a stop sign on a small road deep out in the county onto one of our highways. She hit a VW on the passenger side, about two foot in front of the passenger side seat and a 11-12 year old girl. Spun the WV around and it finally stopped with the help of a tree. The driver's vehicle did about four flips before hitting the tree line. Broke the mothers hip and messed the little girl up pretty bad. As I was walking over to check on the lady that ran the stop sign (she was going about 70 or so) I stopped and noticed her phone glowing in the ditch from having just received a reply, it was setting right next to about 1/4 of her brain. Guess she learned her lesson on texting and driving...
Had a Mother two weeks ago flip her car with her 3 and 4 year old and 4 month old in the back seat. Trying to pass on a narrow road, with oncoming traffic, and send a text all at once, talk about multi-tasking. How, I don't know, but the kids all made it dangling from the roof in their car seats. The mother may be an idiot, but she knows how to put her kids in a car seat the right way.
We have laws on the book in my state now where we can write tickets for texting and driving. The only problem is that the SO has to pay money for every ticket for texting and driving that we write, who ever came up with that piece of stupidity needs to be slapped.
We've shown pictures of the wrecks to god only knows how many teens and adults and they still never get the picture, no text is worth your or anyone else's life, just pull over (completely off the roadway) if it is that important. But alas they never learn...Stupidity should be a chargeable offense, we can call it "Felony- Stupid in General"
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09-21-2015, 19:56
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Lighten up, Francis. Jeez, you are turning into a serious fuddy-duddy. 
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I have a very low tolerance for stupid. And an even lower tolerance for stupid that results in others possibly getting harmed.
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09-21-2015, 20:11
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I'm back in a commercial vehicle for right now and can see quite a bit from up there. No lie, while driving down a street in the Los Angeles area recently I saw a young female LEO in a marked PD cruiser texting on her personal phone while driving. I wish I would have been on the passenger side with someone else driving because I would taken a picture of her and sent it to her department or maybe even made a video and put it on You tube.
Last edited by mojaveman; 09-27-2015 at 18:46.
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09-22-2015, 05:16
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I have a 16 y/o Daughter that will start driving by herself next Month. I will say this, getting a drivers license is WAY to EASY for a teenager. I feel, like many other Countries it is just to easy because getting one is just way to cheap.
States are looking for money, then raise the drivers license permit drivers driving text/exam up, and raise the drivers license fee up. But drop it for 18 y/o or older.
Yes I'm worried about cell phones and my daughter. Only so much I can tell here, it's about growing up. I did tell her, she wrecks the car, she will be driving a wrecked car till she graduate. If she totals it, find a friend for rides!!
Now on the Location, location, location,,,, YES if the family has a farm and has the need for the kids to get a drivers license at 14 y/o. Then I say yes.. now some urban city family looking for their 14 y/o kid to start working sooner or giving a reason of "I need for XYZ to pick up their sibling or take their sibling to... I SAY NO.
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09-22-2015, 06:19
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Since we're venting here...along with people trying to text...I can't stand to see the little (or big) dogs sitting on the driver's lap. Ever see a dog that went through a windshield? Not a pretty sight.
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