Fighting with gear

[Desert Fox]

Hi,
I would like to start a thread about special techniques related to a fight with personal equipment and/or weapon and/or rucksack. I think it can be very useful for CQB when close and surprise encounters are very likely to happen.
I have no experience in such fighting, and I don't know what training members of this board received.

Few points that come in my mind are:
-legs are becoming a decisive weak point;
-an unslung weapon can be thrown on a very close target, immediately followed by another attack, or the use of secondary weapon;
-arms are not very effective, except on an unprotected head;
-front kick (very difficult to block) can be used to just push away the threat, destabilize it, and pull out the secondary weapon. Even with a chest rig or protection, it is very hard to resist a sharp and powerful front kick;
-the importance of a knife;
-a bended charge (usually used by heavy weights) can still be easily blocked with the knee, since the nose is almost always exposed. A bended charge is particularly vulnerable to a counter-strike with a knife on the back;
-the importance of unconventional attacks. (i.e. spiting of throwing objects);
-with rucksack comes the disadvantage of lack of balance;
-a slung carbine can still be used to push away;
-knife is a finishing tool, not a starting one.

I think a good goal of any technique is to destabilize the threat, enabling the use the secondary weapon.

Another interesting aspect is a training with corners, stairs, etc.. I.E. What if on the down side of a stair.

Any ideas??

Originally Posted by Desert Fox

-a bended charge (usually used by heavy weights) can still be easily blocked with the knee, since the nose is almost always exposed. A bended charge is particularly vulnerable to a counter-strike with a knife on the back;

What do you mean? A roundhouse low kick?

I've got some thoughts, but I'm not enough of an authority to give much advice on these matters.

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Martin

What do you mean? A roundhouse low kick?

No,
I meant this:
http://www.openface.ca/~zibalatz/ndg...ce/Image81.gif

We did some experiments in Kung-fu classes. Very effective, never fails.

[NousDefionsDoc]

an unslung weapon can be thrown on a very close target

No.


Buy Kill or Get Kilt

[Spartan359]

Why the hell would you want to throw your weapon at the enemy? What good could that acheive?

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Spartan359

Why the hell would you want to throw your weapon at the enemy? What good could that acheive?

Lol good question.
You already know how fast can be a fight. It's a matter of seconds, sometimes less.

If you have a very close and unexpected encounter (<5m), and your main weapon jams, just throwing it to gain an extra second can saves your life. Of course without any secondary weapon this is a lot more hazardous!
If there is no jamming this is not a good idea for obvious reasons.

[Razor]

Yeah, you do that. Be sure to let us know how it works for you.

[Spartan359]

Yeah, you do that. Be sure to let us know how it works for you.

I'm sure I know the results of that fight. If your that close why not just use your knife or butt stroke the guy? Me personally, I'm keeping my weapon.

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Spartan359

If your that close why not just use your knife or butt stroke the guy?

Hi,
Instead of just drop it and take your knife, why not throw it, then take your knife. I was talking more about an unslung weapon, and a jammed weapon, and at very short distance.
The purpose of throwing a jammed weapon is just to temporary destabilize the enemy and gain an extra second to pull out the secondary or use another technique (i.e. a knife, like you just proposed).

But like I said, I have no experience in that kind of fight. I'm just bringing points and possible ,,tricks''. What is important is the real-world experience from the QPs and other experienced soldiers.

I'm thinking about bringing a replica of an M-4 at the kung-fu class, and ask the instructors about some techniques.

In the bars a really good and prooved technique is to always be sober and keep a pepsi glass in the lef hand. If needed, throw it and hit. That is unconventional warfare...

[Spartan359]

I don't know. Just seems odd to get rid of my weapon. But if I'm that close to the enemy any outcome is gonna be nasty. I'm in the Navy so I know all about bar fights. ANYTHING, I REPEAT ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Spartan359

Just seems odd to get rid of my weapon.

Well.....you take it back after you killed the enemy!
LOL

[Spartan359]

Or take his weapon

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Spartan359

Or take his weapon

Negative....a rail system and a surefire are too expensives!

[Smokin Joe]

Okay I'm not going to rip on you for your above posted comments.


But, ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS WITH THIS STUFF?

None I repeat NONE of your above mentioned techinques or "tricks" would be a good option in a fight.

Just my .02 cents and I'm Joe nobody.

[Spartan359]

LOL How very true. But if your weapon jammed it might be awhile before you can clear it since your so close to the enemy. Hell If your that close to the enemy you might as well use your jammed M-4 as a bat.