So, I married my 1st Cousin....

[PRB]

for about 1400 years...
I've seen similar studies and some of the 'evidence' is simply anecdotal but the medical issues seem to be a stronger indicator.

What say you medico's..


From a Lockheed employee who has had 3 assignments to Saudi Arabia. [Sent by Jacob in SW Texas]


During the pilot transition program with the KV-107 and C-130 with Lockheed, we found that most Saudi pilot trainees had very limited night vision, even on the brightest of moonlit nights. Their training retention rate was minimal including maintenance personnel. Some had dim memories and had to be constantly reminded of things that were told to them the day before. An American, British or any other western instructor is burned out pretty quick. It actually took Muslim C-130 pilots years before they could fly in the dark safely and then would be reluctant to leave the lights of a city.

Ask any Marine, Air Force or Army guy who’s been trying to train Iraqis, and especially Afghans. Islam is not only a religion; it's a way of life all the way around. Yet another set of revealing facts about Muslim beliefs and traditions and ways of life. 1400 years of inbreeding.

Nikolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first cousins. This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world. This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world, since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health. According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%. The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan, and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects.

The risks of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis, spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher, and the risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher. Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.

Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguineous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies. The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as "retarded," increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages. (Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.)


In Denmark, non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army. Sennels says, "The ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world." He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.


In the last 1,200 years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book. Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. "A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies."

Only nine Muslims have ever won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the "Peace Prize." According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research measured by articles per million inhabitants.

In Denmark, Sennels' native country, Muslim children are grossly over represented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background. Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of schoolchildren with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant dropout rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of patients in Denmark’s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background. The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, "One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole."

Sennels concludes: There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims' religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. This has produced overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences.

Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Judeo-Christian compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous religion. These stark realities must be taken into account when we establish public polices dealing with immigration from Muslim countries and the building of mosques in the U.S.

[Oldrotorhead]

Obama counts for 3/5ths And should have gotten the Piece of Work Prize

I'm going to guess that this might be true for Arab Muslims more so than non-Arab Muslims.

[Kyobanim]

1400 years of inbreeding, no wonder they're angry all the time.

[PRB]

I wonder if they'll get hip dysplasia (sp).....

[MR2]

Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society

Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences

[Flagg]

I know just enough Dari to get myself into trouble, but how does Idiocracy translate into Arabic?

It's a shame that it is nearly impossible to have a logical conversation about the confluence of religion/culture/genetics/scientific production without being branded a thought criminal.

Jared Diamond wrote the hugely popular and Pulitzer prize winning book "Guns, Germs, Steel" about 15-20 years ago which counters the argument of inherent genetic superiority.

Maybe it's time someone wrote a book titled something like "Gods, Governments, and Genetics" to revisit it.

Potential non-fiction Salman Rushdie right there.

[Leozinho]

That's a good read, and it may be 100% true, but it screams for some fact checking.

Some warning signs: the author isn't named, it has lots of figures but no sources cited, and has been circulating around the internet for years.

(The first article MR2 posted does list sources. The second article is about psychological differences and makes no mention of inbreeding, marrying cousins or genetic differences.)

For example, take this --

"According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects."

Could cultural mores concerning abortion be a factor in the high rate of genetic birth defects among Pakistanis in Britain (assuming those figures are correct)?

Consider this - If you compare birth defects between the U.S. and France, you might conclude that the French are genetically superior. After all, France has 39.7 birth defects per 1000 live births while the U.S. has 47.8)

However, in France 96% of fetuses that have tested positive for Down Syndrome are aborted. In the U.S., around 67% that have tested positive are aborted. One might assume that fetuses that test positive for other birth defects are also aborted at a higher rate in France. I don't know how this willingness to abort changes France's overall birth defect rate, but it has some effect.

(I have no idea about how Pakistanis in the U.K. feel about abortions, and maybe abortions have no effect on those figures, but I throw that out there to show that figures without context can be misleading.)

Sources:
http://www.neonatology.org/pdf/MODBD...iveSummary.pdf
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-...-coming-france
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...4F14F25.f02t01

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Leozinho

That's a good read, and it may be 100% true, but it screams for some fact checking.

Some warning signs: the author isn't named, it has lots of figures but no sources cited, and has been circulating around the internet for years.

(The first article MR2 posted does list sources. The second article is about psychological differences and makes no mention of inbreeding, marrying cousins or genetic differences.)

For example, take this --

"According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects."

Could cultural mores concerning abortion be a factor in the high rate of genetic birth defects among Pakistanis in Britain (assuming those figures are correct)?

Consider this - If you compare birth defects between the U.S. and France, you might conclude that the French are genetically superior. After all, France has 39.7 birth defects per 1000 live births while the U.S. has 47.8)

However, in France 96% of fetuses that have tested positive for Down Syndrome are aborted. In the U.S., around 67% that have tested positive are aborted. One might assume that fetuses that test positive for other birth defects are also aborted at a higher rate in France. I don't know how this willingness to abort changes France's overall birth defect rate, but it has some effect.

(I have no idea about how Pakistanis in the U.K. feel about abortions, and maybe abortions have no effect on those figures, but I throw that out there to show that figures without context can be misleading.)

Sources:
http://www.neonatology.org/pdf/MODBD...iveSummary.pdf
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-...-coming-france
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...4F14F25.f02t01

Good points, that's why I posted it.
The salient point though, that is undisputed, is the interbreeding in Islamic tradition.
This is authorized by Islamic jurisprudence and widely practiced.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by PRB

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

Is there an accelerant?

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Is there an accelerant?

There sure is....Sharia...keeps the boys away from any females except there own family

[Oldrotorhead]

PBR


http://www.neonatology.org/pdf/MODBD...iveSummary.pdf

This supports the findings of high birth defects in Muslim countries.

One of the Highest rates is Saudi Arabia at 81.3 of 1000 with a large percentage of the countries with high birth defects are Muslim. There are also a number of African countries with high birth defects that MAY be related to tribal societies with limit the gene pool.

When you get down around 60 defects per 1000 there are many poor countries where abortion isn't a factor.

[mugwump]

The increased incidence of birth defects from closely related pairings is about 2-3% in the first generation. The issue with many Pakistanis is they've been doing this for generation after generation.

I know a doctor in the UK who started an outreach program in Leeds in the '90s among the Pakistani immigrants. They were shocked to learn that their marriage practices could be contributing to the high rates of genetic defects in their community.

They were seeing some success but the UK govt quashed the program. It apparently didn't accommodate diversity in the Muslim community.