12-10-2004, 20:58
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The more things change, the more they stay the same
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The military is better off without them.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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12-10-2004, 21:07
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Roger that, sigh its people like those who make my blood boil. 
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12-10-2004, 21:14
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Cowards.
Those who refuse to deploy should be incarcerated in a Federal Pen till the unit returns.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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12-10-2004, 22:16
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Sounds like the oath of enlistment means alot to them. 
What they hell did they think they were VOLUNTEERING for?
I agree with NDD and TR, no sympathy here.
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12-10-2004, 22:25
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This is what happens when you have been running an ad campaign like the "Army of One" emphasizing what you get from being in the Army rather than what you can do for your country.
Surprised to see a Marine do that, they recruit the right way, IMHO.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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12-10-2004, 22:30
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Who came up with that Army of One crap anyway? Was that Shinseki?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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12-10-2004, 22:32
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It was on Shinseki's watch. Ad Agency pap as usual.
As for those who refuse to deploy? I personally favor a length of rope.
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12-10-2004, 22:43
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Sorry bastards...every fetchin one of them
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"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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12-11-2004, 04:19
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12-11-2004, 13:07
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And why do they all have to come to Canada damnit! Why not Mexico or Europe? I sincerely hope that they all get sent back to face the music.
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12-11-2004, 18:06
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However, he adds: "I have to say that my image of my country always being the good guy, and always fighting for just causes, has been shattered."
So fighting the people who murder civillians is a bad thing? God these people are so confused! Stay in Canada you turd, and when terrorism finally strikes there where will you run? Ass.
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05-13-2005, 10:21
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New York Times
May 13, 2005
Balking Sailor Is Sentenced
SAN DIEGO, May 12 (AP) - A sailor was sentenced Thursday to three months of hard labor for refusing to ship out for the Persian Gulf in protest against the war in Iraq.
The sailor, Pablo Paredes, a 23-year-old New Yorker, was also demoted from petty officer third class to seaman recruit, the lowest rank in the Navy.
A military judge, Lt. Cmdr. Bob Klant, imposed the sentence a day after finding Seaman Paredes guilty of refusing to board the amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard, which received orders for the Persian Gulf in December.
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05-13-2005, 12:27
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And then on our side...
I must also add - that it has happened in our community as well. When the call came out in November 2001 for our SF unit to go to Afghanistan - there were some fighting to get in their retirement paperwork.
And one - my favorite - claimed virtigo.
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05-16-2005, 21:37
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Pfc. Dan Felushko: ""(What) it basically comes down to, is it my right to choose between what I think is right and what I think is wrong?" asks Felushko. "And nobody should make me sign away my ability to choose between right and wrong.""
I have to remember that for Basic...
"Sergeant. I think it's wrong to do pushups. And nobody should make me sign away my ability to choose between right and wrong."
I think the Gov. should hunt him down and prosecute him.
I get really worked up when I think what would the Gov. would have done had this been WWII.
Firing Squad anyone?
--Aric
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