The Coming Race War

[JJ_BPK]

This is how your start a war..

The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar @kaj33, Aug. 17, 2014

Ferguson is not just about systemic racism — it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Will the recent rioting in Ferguson, Missouri, be a tipping point in the struggle against racial injustice, or will it be a minor footnote in some future grad student’s thesis on Civil Unrest in the Early Twenty-First Century?

The answer can be found in May of 1970.

You probably have heard of the Kent State shootings: on May 4, 1970, the Ohio National Guard opened fire on student protesters at Kent State University. During those 13 seconds of gunfire, four students were killed and nine were wounded, one of whom was permanently paralyzed. The shock and outcry resulted in a nationwide strike of 4 million students that closed more than 450 campuses. Five days after the shooting, 100,000 protestors gathered in Washington, D.C. And the nation’s youth was energetically mobilized to end the Vietnam War, racism, sexism, and mindless faith in the political establishment.

You probably haven’t heard of the Jackson State shootings.

On May 14th, 10 days after Kent State ignited the nation, at the predominantly black Jackson State University in Mississippi, police killed two black students (one a high school senior, the other the father of an 18-month-old baby) with shotguns and wounded twelve others.

There was no national outcry. The nation was not mobilized to do anything. That heartless leviathan we call History swallowed that event whole, erasing it from the national memory.

And, unless we want the Ferguson atrocity to also be swallowed and become nothing more than an intestinal irritant to history, we have to address the situation not just as another act of systemic racism, but as what else it is: class warfare.

By focusing on just the racial aspect, the discussion becomes about whether Michael Brown’s death—or that of the other three unarmed black men who were killed by police in the U.S. within that month—is about discrimination or about police justification. Then we’ll argue about whether there isn’t just as much black-against-white racism in the U.S. as there is white-against-black. (Yes, there is. But, in general, white-against-black economically impacts the future of the black community. Black-against-white has almost no measurable social impact.)

Then we’ll start debating whether or not the police in America are themselves an endangered minority who are also discriminated against based on their color—blue. (Yes, they are. There are many factors to consider before condemning police, including political pressures, inadequate training, and arcane policies.) Then we’ll question whether blacks are more often shot because they more often commit crimes. (In fact, studies show that blacks are targeted more often in some cities, like New York City. It’s difficult to get a bigger national picture because studies are woefully inadequate. The Department of Justice study shows that in the U.S. between 2003 and 2009, among arrest-related deaths there’s very little difference among blacks, whites, or Latinos. However, the study doesn’t tell us how many were unarmed.)

This fist-shaking of everyone’s racial agenda distracts America from the larger issue that the targets of police overreaction are based less on skin color and more on an even worse Ebola-level affliction: being poor.

Of course, to many in America, being a person of color is synonymous with being poor, and being poor is synonymous with being a criminal. Ironically, this misperception(sic) is true even among the poor.

And that’s how the status quo wants it.

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[Dean Jarvis]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

This is how your start a war..

Well they don't have to worry now. Eric Holder's got their back. He couldn't get involved in this quick enough. Any white on black murder or perceived murder by a white cop and the DOJ is all over it. What do we see with the IRS crimes against the American citizen and their cover up, murder of a border patrol agent by guns provide by the ATF, or Black Panthers blocking access to white voters and you get this reaction

[Paslode]

Of course, to many in America, being a person of color is synonymous with being poor, and being poor is synonymous with being a criminal. Ironically, this misperception(sic) is true even among the poor.

And that’s how the status quo wants it.

I have never looked at it that way and I can't think of anyone I know that thinks that way. Hell, some of the most sincere and honest people I have met might be considered poor and many are of color.

We all just just trying to keep our heads above water and make the most of what we have.

[Streck-Fu]

Who, exactly, is the 'status quo'?

[DIYPatriot]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

The skin color is irrelevant a scum bag is a scumbag, but this is turning into a racial issue when it is not one.

I totally agree. Trash comes in all colors. Did you listen to or watch Jonathan Gentry's online rant regarding this? I had never heard of him until all of this happened in Ferguson. He pretty much calls it like it is.


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[NurseTim]

Isn't kareem a member of the religion of peace? That pretty much says it all right there.

[Box]

So Lew Alcindor is saying that the Jackson State shootings happened purely because the students of Jackson State where guilty of the crime we call, "walking while black"...
...well maybe so.

Lets dissect your opinion Lew...
...Kent State shootings were a result of a National Guard incident.
...Jackson State was a police incident

Kent State involved the Army shooting US citizens because they had spent several days throwing beer bottles at cars, busting up store fronts, bank windows, starting fires in the streets, and setting the campus ROTC building on fire.

Jackson State students started fires, threw rocks at white motorists and overturned vehicles.
-The police flipped the fuck out and when they couldn't disperse the rioting crowd, they shot into crowd killing two. COPS killed the rioting students at Jackson State.

Local police work getting out of control doesnt get national attention when the nation is still reeling over the fucking ARMY killing four students in a riot not even two weeks earlier, Lew...
It wasn't just cops, but the ARMY that killed college students in Ohio...
...you all know the lyrics:

Tin soldiers and Nixons coming,
Were finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
...Four dead in Ohio

Four dead in Ohio, Lew...
...killed by angry Soldiers during a time when Soldiers generally though college kids where all dope smoking, commie sympathizing hippies.

Rich elitists like yourself like to revise history Mr Alcindor, so lets revise it in context.
...the ARMY killed four dope smoking hippies. It caused a national stink that still smells bad 44 years later.
The Kent State shootings were tragic.
...but then again, was it cool to set the fucking ROTC building on fire?
...was there a reason to throw rocks and bottles at passing motorists because they were mad at the president?
...was there a reason to break bank windows and set fire to the neighborhood?

FUCK NO.
...and the fucking ARMY doesn't DO law enforcement. The ARMY uses violence to force compliance. THAT is what we do... Lew. We visit violence on those who piss off the US goivernment
Enemies, foriegn AND doemstic.
...thats right Lew, I'll shoot the fuck out of some hippie college students my damn self if the president tells me to.
Not because I am a racist, but because thats what your tax dollars pay me to do.

So when the ARMY fixes bayonets, walks onto a college campus, and starts shooting mother fuckers...
...America sits up and takes notice.

Oh, I should add that this all happened when we didn't have a 24 hour news cycle, we didn't have cell phones with high resolution digital video, or facebook and twitter pages to paste the video to. Hell, for that matter we didnt have internet bulletin boards to mock idealistic celebrites either.
...and we were still dealing with the war in vietnam.


In Jackson State, they started a riot, the cops said "knock it off"
The students said "fuck you law dog"
the cops said, knock it off hippies, we aint fucking around anymore
Jackson State said, "law dont go round' here law dog"
...the cops flipped the fuck out and started shooting
Tragically 2 students died - and the event was over before the ARMY showed up and started shooting people.

Interesting Lew, that you failed to mention that we ALSO forgot about a few other college riots in May of 1970:

UNiversity of Kansas
University of Maryland
Yale (yes... fucking Yale students rioted that May)
...in fact, angry college student rioted at over 450 US college campuses that month

Over 30 ROTC building were set on fire and the Nation Guard intervened on over 20 US college campuses across the Nation...
...let me say that once more for the race baiting, retired basketball players in the audience:

Over 30 ROTC buildings were set on fire and the ARMY showed up at over 20 college campuses to restore order.
...but we are all racists becasue we forgot that the Mississippi State police shot two Jackson State college students during a riot.

Fuck you Lew.
Fuck you very much, you race baiting sensationalist.

Otherwise, the idea that Kent State got national attention because the students were white, and Jackson State got suppressed because the students were black is nonsense Lew. Not everything is about race you goon...
...so cast your race baited hook in another pond because I for one, aint biting.


Just my opinion.
I could be wrong.

[Oldrotorhead]

While the counrty watches on town burn after one 18 year old was shot and killed the media and the DOJ are not addressing violence in many major cities where the police aren't killing young black men. In most cased young black men are killing other black men and often in cities with "strict" gun laws. This is the best example I can find.

http://heyjackass.com/

Chicago information that is updated about every day. I haven't seen any source contest this information.

Keep in mind this trouble in Fergusen is just round one. The next round starts after the trial. No matter what the outcome of the trial.

[Pete]

Living in a 48% black, 46% white neighborhood I don't expect any of my neighbors to boil out of their homes and protest in the streets.

A few might jump in their cars and drive somewhere to protest but that's it.

Did surprise me a bit one time when the FayOb did a story on a police raid in the Foxfire Subdivision. They hit a home they said was selling drugs and the paper said 120 people filled the street to protest and a few extra units had to be called.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

How many unarmed black people were killed by other blacks the same month? how many unarmed white people were killed by blacks the same month?

The skin color is irrelevant a scum bag is a scumbag, but this is turning into a racial issue when it is not one. The POS was taped steeling cigars and bullying a store owner not long before the shhoting. MSM showed photos of him flashing gang signs. MSM is throwing flames on the fire just to sell news. Kareem, pull your head out of your ass and look at reality.

Yeap you're 1000% right. No doubt this isn't about racism. Yet I will say it is about class warfare.

it's about class warfare and how America's poor are held back, says Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Well guess what if a sect of Americans are told to live this way, because you get stauff for free, not having to work, not being at cause and whatever it is. well I call that a type of class warfare, but not my problem. Demorats, get to work helping these people or, helping your community out, helping your voters out. Get right in there and give them a helping hand. See how many show up and stay after dark.

Originally Posted by DIYPatriot

I totally agree. Trash comes in all colors. Did you listen to or watch Jonathan Gentry's online rant regarding this? I had never heard of him until all of this happened in Ferguson. He pretty much calls it like it is.


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DIYPatriot - Saw this, and yes he did call them out. BUT I say the Governor of Missouri, Jay Nixon; local and state level BLACK civic leaders and local, state and National level religious leaders; should have come out in the days ago over the charater and actions of what these night "Peaceful protest" which are just a reason for lotting and rioting. Things will claim down once there isn't any more for them to steal.

I say let the have the city center, or the area they say they are conducting "Peaceful protest" in. Make a ring around them along the streets, alley ways, cut throughs, ETC; not leting anyone in. But we will let you go home (OUT) after which you get screened. Which the are breaking the law. Check their IDs and record them on a ditgital reader, biometic or police officers laptop card reader. I would use something like at a local concert or sporting event, handheld device to take the persons information. Anyone that doesn't have an ID, I would set up a photo area to take there pictures and use facial recognition software and then mail them a citation in mail and have it tied to their license, plate vehicle registration renewal and even their home residential property taxes. I would have those same religious leaders, civic leaders and even NAACP there helping control the people.

As far as police I would monitor Facebook, Twitter and ever Social Media that locals are on.

BLUF I would stay away from the Protest area with any LEO or NG Military Units. If the burn it down, so be it, Their loss.

Also I feel this Family has not done a thing to ask the public to stop all these Protest, Riots, Burnings, Looting, ETC. I think The last time they were on TIME was last Monday press conference where they ask for a stop to violence and demand justice for their son. Really.. Okay now.. Thank you!! I think the NAACP was also in Ferguson.

Rev. Al Sharpton and the NAACP and ever other type of THEM, YES THEM. They do nothing but feed off the poor to make themselves rich. The sad thing it the black community doesn't see it, blinded but all the free stuff they get. To long to write here. The black Communit needs more people like Rev Jonathan Gentry, He needs to find other and get there to eqducate Ferguson, not Rev. Sharpton.

[mark46th]

Kareem is a pseudo-intellectual. If he was half as smart as he and his buddies think he is, how come he went broke? How come he wasn't smart enough to buy home-owner's insurance to cover his oriental rug collection that was destroyed when his house burned? He was one of the greatest basketball players I have ever seen but he doesn't have the common sense that God gave a hat...

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by mark46th

Kareem is a pseudo-intellectual. If he was half as smart as he and his buddies think he is, how come he went broke? How come he wasn't smart enough to buy home-owner's insurance to cover his oriental rug collection that was destroyed when his house burned? He was one of the greatest basketball players I have ever seen but he doesn't have the common sense that God gave a hat...

Another one trick pony. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them and, like a lot of PhDs out there, they think their expertise in one field qualifies them to pontificate as if they were an authority on everything.

[akv]

Kareem was an iconic basketball player. This means he was one of the best people in the world at putting a round ball through a round hoop back in the day. He was rewarded for this, this is good.

If he wants to talk about basketball or sticking it to the Celtics back in the day, I'm all ears.

If the topic is life advice or his views on society, it's a free country and he's entitled to his opinion. Personally however, after reading his hyperbolic rambles he now seems a biscuit away from being a professional victim.

I've always wondered how being a great athlete or actor qualifies you as an expert outside your field?

[Flagg]

Why so I have this odd feeling that when you combine the ominously convenient and timed sequencing of race-baiting incidents of recent years with the like of Occupy Movement et al we could see a digital aged repeat of Weathermen, Baader Meinhoff/RAF?

I've read a bit about such groups but much in open source seems to cover the most radical/kinetic portions of their activities.

There's not much out there I've found in easily digestible format on the shift from peaceful protest movement and how it metasticzed into something more dangerous.

Like the Arab Spring movements that saw partnership of educated/internet savvy social media activists with soccer hooligan gangs. I'm interested in those connections.

Just like I'm sure there's value in understanding the connections between Educated/internet savvy Occupy/Anonymous activists with street gangs, militant minority groups, etc.

I've often wondered if there is a pareto's principal for radicalisation?

A ratio(s) that involve X number of student protestors, Y % rate of unemployment among university graduates! and Z average student debt load.

1,000,000 student protestors producing A number of protestors willing to commit civil disobedience, B number willing to risk arrest, C willing to commit violence, etc.

I have to admit that I'm quite surprised not to see signs of a Baader Meinhoff 2.0 in the fringes of Europe with the insanely high youth unemployment numbers in places like Spain and Greece.

I'm also interested i seeing if Russia (and other opponents like Iran and China ) would return to funding, supporting, and enabling protest groups directly or via proxy.

[DIYPatriot]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Rev. Al Sharpton and the NAACP and ever other type of THEM, YES THEM. They do nothing but feed off the poor to make themselves rich. The sad thing it the black community doesn't see it, blinded but all the free stuff they get. To long to write here. The black Communit needs more people like Rev Jonathan Gentry, He needs to find other and get there to eqducate Ferguson, not Rev. Sharpton.

You're spot on. Without a racially-charged "crisis", how else can the Rainbow Push Coalition make their profit? They love these sorts of things. It solidifies their existence. Gentry seems to be a straight-up man that gives a damn for people regardless of their class/color. I don't know a great deal about him, but on the surface he seems like a good dude. Sadly, he'll be cast aside and forced out by Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, RPC and others because he doesn't subscribe to their agenda.