07-14-2014, 17:34
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"SOF prefers 9mm over .45
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07-14-2014, 18:25
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Matthew Cox
I've never heard of Matthew Cox.
I seriously doubt SOF likes using 9mm, they are using it in different platforms because its the only ammo they can get.
Matthew Cox is making me laugh when he states "Delta Force" is having problems because the larger calibers are wearing out guns.... please stop making me laugh..... Delta Force is a unit with a blank check for anything/everything.
Matthew Cox who are you?
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07-14-2014, 18:47
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TS,
Anyone that refers to the US Military's most elite tier 1 unit as "Delta Force" lost my attention at Delta Force.
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07-14-2014, 19:19
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I totally get that the author is a dufus....
But still curious what the preferred handgun caliber is for duty weapons by the PS on the forum (not trying to start a caliber war) 
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07-14-2014, 20:37
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Sorry I can tell most right now are carrying .40, not even a .45. But I would say that most don't like 9mm and would go with the .45 between the two.
Yes this guy is an DUFUS.
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07-17-2014, 14:11
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I would say that if given the choice that caliber might even take a back seat to the platform. I for one am not a fan of the M9 in any way shape or form. That if all of a sudden given the opportunity for a 9mm Glock 17 or 19 vs. a 45ACP 92F clone. I would pick the 17 or 19, couple this with better bullets (147gr TAPs) to me the 9mm glock wins hands down. (so I can see if having this conversation and it followed that path how one could draw the conclusion)
Lethality is directly related to shot placement, in my civilian job I have seen a patient DRT from one .22LR off the left margin of the sternum in the 5th ICS. So you could say that follow on shots from a rack grade 9mm would be easier than a rack grade 45 acp platform.
But if USSOCOM said hey what do you want, no restrictions, blank check. It's going to be a 45 ACP, and very likely a wilson combat at that.
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07-17-2014, 15:25
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I would pick the 17 or 19, couple this with better bullets (147gr TAPs) to me the 9mm glock wins hands down.
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Very few military units will be using anything other than NATO spec Ball ammo, regardless of the caliber.
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07-17-2014, 17:17
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Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott
TS:
But still curious what the preferred handgun caliber is for duty weapons by the PS on the forum (not trying to start a caliber war) |
What it comes down to, is not the ammo, it's shot placement, shot placement, shot placement ....
just my $ .02.
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07-17-2014, 21:24
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Originally Posted by UWOA
What it comes down to, is not the ammo, it's shot placement, shot placement, shot placement ....
just my $ .02.
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I concur!! I carried a Hi-Power and shot numerous folks with it!! Never had ONE get back up!!
Later
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07-17-2014, 22:32
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I concur!! I carried a Hi-Power and shot numerous folks with it!! Never had ONE get back up!!
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07-18-2014, 14:53
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
the only caliber that is worthless is the 25 acp . Seen a guy shoot himself in the head twice and neither penetrated the skull just stopped against it and he walked into the hospital.
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Sounds like that was one hell of a kegger.
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07-18-2014, 15:12
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cost of .45 ammo vs .9mm ????
The cost of the ammo 9mm & .45 ACP would not be a factor in choosing a weapon platform for SOF.... Tom Kelly
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07-18-2014, 15:32
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Originally Posted by fox33c1
I would say that if given the choice that caliber might even take a back seat to the platform. I for one am not a fan of the M9 in any way shape or form. That if all of a sudden given the opportunity for a 9mm Glock 17 or 19 vs. a 45ACP 92F clone. I would pick the 17 or 19, couple this with better bullets (147gr TAPs) to me the 9mm glock wins hands down. (so I can see if having this conversation and it followed that path how one could draw the conclusion)
Lethality is directly related to shot placement, in my civilian job I have seen a patient DRT from one .22LR off the left margin of the sternum in the 5th ICS. So you could say that follow on shots from a rack grade 9mm would be easier than a rack grade 45 acp platform.
But if USSOCOM said hey what do you want, no restrictions, blank check. It's going to be a 45 ACP, and very likely a wilson combat at that.
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its not that USSOCOM would say "hey do what you want".....
Let's talk the bullets you're recommending and the ensuing violation of the Geneva Accords with its view of "non-full metal jacket" bullets.. not to mention the international incident that would be all over the front pages for a couple of weeks. and the way of thought for some of the people in charge these days would have you up on War Crimes charges..
There are some very good reasons why NATO ammunition is standardized and in use by many nations...
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07-18-2014, 15:35
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
While I prefer the 45 for many reasons I know a 9mm or 22 is deadly if shot is placed properly.
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This is the key here... Shot placement..
more importantly, do you have the time to make the shot to the proper location..
all the weapons mentioned have their strengths and weaknesses.. some are just a weight issue... others may cause some serious sleepless nights..
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07-18-2014, 15:49
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Back to cost of the ammunition...
The cost of the ammunition that the DOD buy's for small arms, pistols in particular is miniscule when compared to the US Navy's Gerald Ford Aircraft Carriers that cost $12 BILLION each. The Ford class carrier will replace the present Nimitz class I think the Navy presently has 12 Nimitz carriers, plus the new Ford class carrier will have @ 80 F-18 planes that go for @ $135 million each. Now back to pistol ammunition; How much per round would it cost the DOD for any caliber from .9mm to .45ACP ????? Tom Kelly
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