Army Selects New Camouflage Pattern

[abc_123]

First I've seen this

Army Selects New Camouflage Pattern

Published May 23, 2014
Military.com

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/23...tcmp=obnetwork

[pbr549xxx]

http://soldiersystems.net/

This website has been following the US Army's camo efforts for a while now.

[Box]

I wonder who got rich off of the ACU's.....
...and who is going to get rich from Scorpion W2?

I'll bet the end cost of fielding ScorpionW2 will be more than if we just bought the rights to multi-cam from the folks at Crye.

I tell ya' corruption really sucks when you aint getting your beak wet! I can't wait until I can retire and get into politics; the pay and benefits are so much nicer.
If things play out right, I can oppress a bunch of citizens and take away all of their guns BEFORE its time to retire, then I can jump right into politics and rob them blind since they wont have guns anymore. The first thing I am going to do is sponsor a bill that changes the uniform AGAIN so that I can make a few bucks off of it.

Retirement is going to be so sweet !!!!

[sefryak]

The Army leadership has outdone themselves with this debacle. They could have had the winner of the camouflage improvement competition (Crye's entry) for a paltry $650k or so, which would have given them the whole family of patterns they want. They decided they wanted exclusive rights to the patterns, so Crye offered to sell them for a measly 25 million, which they balked at. So after painting themselves into a corner, courtesy of the NDAA, they have gone back and adopted a pattern from 10yrs ago.

Genius.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by AbusesToilets

The Army leadership has outdone themselves with this debacle. They could have had the winner of the camouflage improvement competition (Crye's entry) for a paltry $650k or so, which would have given them the whole family of patterns they want. They decided they wanted exclusive rights to the patterns, so Crye offered to sell them for a measly 25 million, which they balked at. So after painting themselves into a corner, courtesy of the NDAA, they have gone back and adopted a pattern from 10yrs ago.

Genius.

Army and JCS leadership has been outdoing themselves for a while.

I'm just wondering if there will be a different uniform cut for "transgender"?

[Golf1echo]

Interesting how with all the discussion about new theaters and environments of operation they chose a pattern that only scored higher than Multi Cam in a desert environment. There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two in the pattern. Personally I think equipment should be part of the camouflage scheme making the the function more effective. From a small business perspective, Cryes partnership with Duro has made a huge difference in innovation enabling developers to use an ever increasing vocabulary of materials...when we first started 1000D Cordura was all that was available in smaller quantities, eventually more and more weights and varieties of fabric became available. If you are required to buy 3500-5000 yards per run you are restricted. If you look at the current breadth of availability from Duro now it is impressive.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Golf1echo

Interesting how with all the discussion about new theaters and environments of operation they chose a pattern that only scored higher than Multi Cam in a desert environment. There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two in the pattern. Personally I think equipment should be part of the camouflage scheme making the the function more effective. From a small business perspective, Cryes partnership with Duro has made a huge difference in innovation enabling developers to use an ever increasing vocabulary of materials...when we first started 1000D Cordura was all that was available in smaller quantities, eventually more and more weights and varieties of fabric became available. If you are required to buy 3500-5000 yards per run you are restricted. If you look at the current breadth of availability from Duro now it is impressive.

You need to read the fine print.

MultiCam is a plagiarized copy of Scorpion.

Army officials also balked at paying for "printing fees" the coArmy officials even tried to buy the rights to MultiCam but rejected Crye's figure of $25 million, according to Caleb Crye, owner of Crye Precision.mpany receives on MultiCam -- a small figure that amounts to about one percent of the 20 percent price hike uniform companies want to charge the Army for MultiCam, according to Crye.

And, ironically, in March 2013 the Army decided to drop the fifth finalist -- a government pattern developed at the Army's Natick Soldier Systems Center. The pattern, known as Scorpion, was too similar to one of the industry submissions, Army officials said.

It's similar to MultiCam because Crye developed the pattern with the Army for its Objective Force Warrior program in 2012. He later made small adjustments to the pattern for trademark purposes and called it MultiCam.

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

You need to read the fine print.

MultiCam is a plagiarized copy of Scorpion.

I did understand that, I meant visually. That certainly illustrates that the process of selection is hard to understand. Not sure why they would try so hard not to reward a company that puts in so much effort to support the war fighter? Personally I have tried to remain an observer as their decision will be what it is.

MARPAT is a good example of a pattern owned by a service, the true pattern includes the Globe and Anchor, essentially it is unavailable with out permission from that branch. Of course there are many counterfeits and some over runs available but that is a far cry from the availability of Multi Cam fabric. From a perspective of a gear maker the fabric quality, treatments, configuration, etc... have more to do with performance....other than camouflage effects in the visual spectrum.

I am curious, it looks as though there is a greater back ground area in the Scorpion Pattern, the dyed pattern is forming smaller patterns. My understanding is that those dyed patterns on Multi Cam reflect ambient light which enables the pattern to change as it moves into new environments. It would seem that Scorpion may be less effective than Multi Cam in this aspect.

I can see reasons why the Army would want to own their pattern but the reality is it will be available in a counterfeit form in short order. I can also see why the Army would want to have several patterns available to them.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by abc_123

First I've seen this

Army Selects New Camouflage Pattern

Published May 23, 2014
Military.com

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/23...tcmp=obnetwork

SEARCH function can be your friend.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ght=camouflage

Richard