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Old 05-20-2014, 05:45   #1
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Unintended consequences

In their zeal to brag about the locating and killing of UBL, the story of how his location was confirmed through the use of CIA agents posing as aide workers providing vaccines was widely told.

Now, no one trusts real aide workers trying to provide real medical care. Add this casualty to the Pakistani doctor rotting in a prison.

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White House vows CIA will not stage fake vaccine programs

Washington (AFP) - The White House has promised the United States will not use vaccination programs as cover for spy operations -- after the move was attempted during the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

As Pakistan suffers a resurgence of polio, a top White House official pledged in a letter dated May 16 that intelligence agencies would foreswear the tactic, which is partly blamed for the spread of the crippling disease.
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Old 05-20-2014, 05:58   #2
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They could do it themselves

They could do it themselves

But hey, if Allah wills the kid gets polio the kid gets polio.

We got some of our own anti vaccine people.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:22   #3
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So the CIA was masquerading as aide workers in order to track down public enemy number one?

That’s fucked up like polio !!!

I wonder if the Obama White House found out about this terrible cheater cheater pumpkin eater spy TTP by seeing it on the news?
...You know, the exact same way they claim to find out about EVERYTHING that happens in the world.

I also like how we have essentially blamed the CIA's spy tactics for the spread of polio.
Damn CIA polio causers
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:36   #4
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This is totally lose-lose. EVERYBODY has, for centuries, used humanitarian aide venues to do a little spying.

BUT Now POTUS admits to the world that all those UN, EU, & US aid efforts must be CIA efforts. Don't forget the thousands of ministries that send their people out to help the poor and down trodden..

Anyone doing aide now has a big red dot on their back..

AQ can now quote POTUS in their PR efforts to kill the infidels. Along with all the rag-tag left-wing & right-wing potentates around the world that like to portray the US as the bad guy..

This is Bad Ju Ju..
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:18   #5
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This just a stupid announcement. Why would you ever announce that you're not doing that?!!?
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:29   #6
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Makes him feel better

Makes him feel better. He'll be able to sleep better tonight knowing he's done something.

Everybody has known this since they arrested the Doc........

But the question remains was the program "fake" or was he spying while protecting kids?

Just because you are using a program as cover does not make it "fake".
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:05   #7
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The important part is near the bottom of the article:

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The Taliban and other militants violently oppose polio vaccination campaigns, seeing them as a cover for foreign spying and regularly attack immunization teams. Some 56 people have been killed in such incidents since December 2012.
If it had not been so proudly stated that this was the tactic used, it would not have been put into a movie, then they would not have to proclaim to abandon this effort to try to protect legitimate aide workers.
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:10   #8
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Unintended consequences?

I'm not so sure that the consequences were unintended considering the track record of this administration.
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:27   #9
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...didnt President Carter fuck over the CIA pretty good during his stint in office?
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:52   #10
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And the difference between him and O is? Oh yeah, one is black.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:03   #11
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Back in the day when I did some spooky stuff, USAID and gubmint medical programs was off limits for any type of cover.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:32   #12
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Back in the day when I did some spooky stuff, USAID and gubmint medical programs was off limits for any type of cover.
That was always my understanding, while journalists, tourists and businessmen were the preferred covers. Hmmm.... Journalists???? Why doesn't the O promise to never use journalists? Particularly ones from the MSM?
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Why doesn't the O promise to never use journalists? Particularly ones from the MSM?
Because they are already in a covered program.

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Old 05-21-2014, 14:46   #14
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Because they are already in a covered program.

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socialist propaganda is a covered program? Who woulda thunk?
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Old 05-22-2014, 17:16   #15
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Just curious, but who is this MSM that is referred to? I know of an MSM, and am not totally understanding if it's the same MSM, or a different MSM, and what exactly you mean?
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