03-13-2014, 10:13
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‘No Compelling Medical Reason’ To Exclude Transgender
Commission Finds ‘No Compelling Medical Reason’ To Exclude Transgender Americans From Military
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...from-military/
And the hits just keep on coming...
"...and that President Barack Obama could lift the decades-old ban without approval from Congress, according to a report being released Thursday....:
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03-13-2014, 11:28
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Cost?
From the article
"...The ban also appears based on the assumption that providing hormone treatment and sex reassignment surgeries would be too difficult, disruptive and expensive..."
In these days of penny pinching against the military we are going to allow transgenders - and then pay for their reassignments? Hey, what's $30,000 when you want to be PC?
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03-13-2014, 11:47
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Why not add the blind and the deaf as well?
How can we deny them the opportunity to serve?
And I guess we can toss the "good order and discipline" requirement and the "needs of the service" out the window as well.
I thought we had more than 100,000 excess military members that we will have to eliminate?
Do we need more high maintenance soldiers at this time?
BS, I think it is time for you to stop providing input on what the military should do until you have served.
TR
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03-13-2014, 12:21
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My biggest question is what happens to ex-women who are now "men" and want to serve in male-only roles. Will the Army allow them to serve but continue to deny them certain jobs based on their original gender?
On top of that, how is "transgender" going to be defined? Is it anyone who says they feel more comfortable being the opposite gender? Only people taking hormone therapy? Only people who have undergone the reassignment surgery?
Trying to define and work around all that seems like a big unnecessary hassle.
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03-13-2014, 12:37
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Why not add the blind and the deaf as well?
How can we deny them the opportunity to serve?
And I guess we can toss the "good order and discipline" requirement and the "needs of the service" out the window as well.
I thought we had more than 100,000 excess military members that we will have to eliminate?
Do we need more high maintenance soldiers at this time?
BS, I think it is time for you to stop providing input on what the military should do until you have served.
TR
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What about the profoundly mentally retarded? Oh wait, they're already working on capitol hill... 
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03-13-2014, 12:38
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How about we break it down to bare simplicity..
If you enlist and have a penis you are a man.
If you enlist and have a vagina you are a woman.
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03-13-2014, 13:36
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Why not add the blind...as well? How can we deny them the opportunity to serve?
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It might be interesting to hear Ivan Castro's thoughts.
http://www.army.mil/article/32083/bl...career-course/
I think there are a couple more blind officers serving as well. MAJ Smiley at Gonzaga ROTC is one I read about IIRC.
However, granting an 'exception to policy' once serving and haven proven yourself vs 'initial entry' are not quite the same things.
Richard
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03-13-2014, 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PRB
How about we break it down to bare simplicity..
If you enlist and have a penis you are a man.
If you enlist and have a vagina you are a woman.
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Too much common sense.
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03-13-2014, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Richard
It might be interesting to hear Ivan Castro's thoughts.
http://www.army.mil/article/32083/bl...career-course/
I think there are a couple more blind officers serving as well. MAJ Smiley at Gonzaga ROTC is one I read about IIRC.
However, granting an 'exception to policy' once serving and haven proven yourself vs 'initial entry' are not quite the same things.
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We are talking about enlistments, not re-enlistment.
And what do you think CPT Castro going to be doing in the Army in the future?
TR
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03-13-2014, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Pete
From the article
"...The ban also appears based on the assumption that providing hormone treatment and sex reassignment surgeries would be too difficult, disruptive and expensive..."
In these days of penny pinching against the military we are going to allow transgenders - and then pay for their reassignments? Hey, what's $30,000 when you want to be PC?
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Hhhmmm, reassignment. I wonder if they will get credit for a PCS/ end of tour award.
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03-14-2014, 07:04
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Since the military draws from society and if society it draws from is screwed up then it only stands to reason the military will be screwed up. Then add inept leadership from the top down and the whole thing is a disaster. The few that are squared away will most likely leave or be admonished leaving it in a sorry state. Just my 2/100's of a FRN.
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03-15-2014, 17:34
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As when they allowed gays to openly serve, they use the same reason:
National Security.
Well, I guess since I'm a drunken meth-head, I should be able to serve. Since I'm open about my addictions, this can't be used against me as blackmail.
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03-15-2014, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Monsoon65
As when they allowed gays to openly serve, they use the same reason:
National Security.
Well, I guess since I'm a drunken meth-head, I should be able to serve. Since I'm open about my addictions, this can't be used against me as blackmail.
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Maybe, if you are a transgendered drunken meth-head, there has to be some standards. 
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03-15-2014, 21:00
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...by the time we rid the military of all the tattoo having, no shaving on leave, no wearing a belt with their blue jeans, skull and cross bones unit loge wearing shit bags that are polluting the military we will have plenty of room for the transgendered Americans that are lined up in front of the recruiting offices around the country.
You hippies need to get haircuts and quit complaining about who can and cannot serve.
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03-16-2014, 03:59
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This why not
future Transgenders are just looking for a way to get the government to pay for sexual reassignment. These folks enlist then 6 months later they're on a year profile while they are going through hormon replacement and surgery all on the tax payer dime.
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