02-22-2014, 20:25
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Asset
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FFL requirements
Gentlemen,
This is my first time starting a new thread - please forgive if it is in the wrong spot on the forum
I purchased a stripped lower receiver online and had it shipped to a local gun store. I called the local gun store prior to the transaction and the only thing they informed me of was a $35 dollar transfer fee with no other stipulations. Well, after making the purchase from the online store, the lower was shipped with a copy of their FFL, with for "for file use only" printed on it without signature. I went to pick up the lower from the gun store today and they refused to transfer it to me because the copy of the ffl was not signed by the original store. They said that they required the copy to be signed.
I was under the impression that only the receiving store need to send a signed copy to the originator and not vice versa. Any help on the matter would be appreciated. Thank you.
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02-23-2014, 00:11
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Sir, with all due respect, you should be able to figure this out. However, if there are impairments that you have not presented in your profile, we are here to assist you in everyway possible.
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02-23-2014, 06:39
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Asset
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I really am just a rookie when it comes to transfers and yes, I know google is my friend. I do not trust everything on the internet and would rather go to a forum where I at least know the high quality and caliber of individuals that post. However, it would make no sense to require a signature from the person that shipped it for multiple reasons at least from what I can piece together. A. The gun has already technically been sold, what if an individual just wanted to transfer a product and didn't have an FFL B. The original shop provided a copy of their FFL number and with the database of FFLs on the internet, this could resolved through a quick "search". It would seem the receiving shop who has my lower receiver may be where the problem resides.
(As far as impairments - I don't believe I have any, but my wife may disagree.)
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02-23-2014, 07:06
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The FFL needs to be signed. I work at the gun counter at AAFES. Get them to do the proper paperwork.
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02-23-2014, 07:26
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Asset
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Roger, I appreciate the help and replies. There seems to be conflicting guidance the easy fix would be just to get it signed. Thank you all, have a great day.
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02-23-2014, 08:27
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FFL notes
I agree with above. The ATF gives the FFL a .pdf to send to other FFL's just for this purpose. The sending FFL can also just scan their signed copy. The other half is the ATF webpage has a FFL number database check that the receiving FFL normally does as well. And they should check the number because some shady FFL's sometimes send expired FFL's. The other reason this is all necessary is because sometimes, often with GunBroker, people commit a crime by sending someone else's FFL, an expired FFL, or worse, a fraudulent fake FFL. (You should check the persons FFL online too if you can before doing an online transaction. People do not always give out their FFL number, but if you know it, it could save you some trouble.)
All of this is to control the IN/OUT books of both FFL's. If there is an error with a weapon that was transferred to you via 4473, (IE weapon transferred on senders book, but not shown as received on other end) the ATF will have the FFL contact you later on down the line. Its happened to me a few times with people that do not keep good enough records. This happens a lot with big online FFL's. (If they lose too much, or mess up too much ATF takes the FFL away.)
Your receiving FFL is correct. However, they should also check the ATF database after receiving the correct FFL copy.
Finally, the ATF webpage has all the knowledge you need to make sure everything takes place correctly at the federal level. You state laws may vary.
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02-24-2014, 12:09
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Keep ALL the Paperwork
To add to what 35NCO commented, I strongly suggest you keep a record of the initial receipt of your lower being shipped to your receiving (in state) FFL, as well as the follow up corrected seller FFL transaction.
If your communication is not via email, then WRITE the summary of events yourself. Keep everything related to the transfer as a record for that weapon.
I learned that the Feds can determine you have questionable documentation YEARS after you believed you had a successful transaction. None of it your fault, but someone in the chain of custody did not fill out a form completely or did it improperly.
You never know where you will be in five, ten or more years. You decide to make a big purchase, only to have it flagged. Depending on what you do later, that question "Have you ever been denied..." will pop up and how you answer it will make you happy that you correct this problem now.
Enjoy your new purchase. 
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02-24-2014, 16:09
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The FFL needs to be signed. I work at the gun counter at AAFES. Get them to do the proper paperwork.
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Wait wait wait, AAFES is still selling guns? Where?
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02-24-2014, 16:14
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Wait wait wait, AAFES is still selling guns? Where?
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They're selling them at Bragg...Though you have to get your CO to approve your purchase....  ....And they will not put AK's on display...they have a little sign that says they have them and keep them in the back.
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02-24-2014, 16:15
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Wait wait wait, AAFES is still selling guns? Where?
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Ft. Huachuca sells them, too.
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02-24-2014, 16:17
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Ft. Huachuca sells them, too.
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I may have to take a road trip...... 
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02-24-2014, 16:19
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Bring your knife roll.
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02-24-2014, 16:23
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So you can pay too much money for guns?
Seldom do they have a good deal on firearms, or great selection...you can apply for a star card and get 10% off your first days purchases. Might be worth not paying the taxes...
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02-24-2014, 17:41
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Kirkland NM and Cannon AFB also sell guns. Been thinking about getting a Henry and they both sell them when I get up there.
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02-24-2014, 18:29
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[QUOTE]They're selling them at Bragg...Though you have to get your CO to approve your purchase.... ....And they will not put AK's on display...they have a little sign that says they have them and keep them in the back.[QUOTE]
Your CO has to approve the purchase? So what if he doesn't like you? No AKs on display? Any guesses on that one? What about ARs on display?
Is Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville still opened? I bought a few firearms there over the years. At least it would be off post.
Also, I remember that our Rod & Gun (bottle) Club in Germany could get you just about any firearm you wanted.
Times have sure changed.
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