The Department of Homeland Security is set to activate

[Pete]

"The Department of Homeland Security is set to activate a national license plate tracking system that will be shared with law enforcement, allowing DHS officers to take photos of any license plate using their smartphone and upload it to a database which will include a “hot list” of “target vehicles”......."

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-sec...tion-database/

I know, Alex Jones and info wars, but...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0


"...In other countries that have activated license plate tracking networks, such as the United Kingdom, political activists have been targeted by having their vehicles added to a “hotlist” after attending protests. One example led to a man being questioned under anti-terror laws after he traveled to take part in an anti-war demonstration...."

I bet the IRS would love to get a piece of the action and DHS would be very happy to help.

[Team Sergeant]

Communism at it's finest! Let's just trash that pesky Constitution. Privacy be dammed.

[Paslode]

Every local PD in our area has license plate readers so I don't think it is too far out there to consider the DHS already has access to this type of data and all they have to do is flip a switch or two and it all streams to the Fusion Center system.

Alex Jones brings up a good point in his most recent jab on the topic:

Will your life be in danger from trigger-happy cops afraid for their life because they see you’re on a “hot list of target vehicles”?

[Team Sergeant]

Fusion Centers, Americans spying on Americans, the CIA/NSA/IRS would be proud.......

[mark46th]

My son's department has plate readers, they really work... The unit drives down a street, reads plates on parked cars and immediately notifies the officers of any warrants on the registered owner, expired plates and registrations.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by mark46th

My son's department has plate readers, they really work....

Which is way the DHS wants to be able to add plates to a "hot list"

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' and why?"

[orion5]

Originally Posted by Pete

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' and why?"

I'm surprised at how easy it is for govt agencies to act with impunity these days. How quick are situations labeled "false controversies", and the general population obediently goes back to drowning itself in Flappy Bird.

I know there's no way to stop technology, but have zero faith any of these agencies will use restraint (or the Constitution) as a backdrop for their decisions.

With no punishments or corrections in sight, no one gives a second thought to overstepping privacy. "Let's put everyone on the list. We might need that data one day. For the children."

[x SF med]

Originally Posted by Pete

Which is way the DHS wants to be able to add plates to a "hot list"

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' and why?"

We all do... can't control the population without making sure everyone is registered to do anything. Show us your papers, or you do not the bread.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Pete

Which is way the DHS wants to be able to add plates to a "hot list"

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' and why?"

So that any LEO, local, state or federal can stop you without probable cause and search you and your vehicle...... I like where this train wreck is headed. I'll be cleaning guns this weekend

[cbtengr]

QUOTE=Pete;541573
I bet the IRS would love to get a piece of the action and DHS would be very happy to help.[/QUOTE]

I am sure that if it is abused Obama when he finds out will be outraged and will punish the abusers, you know just like he did to those IRS agents that hassled the tea party folks.

[atticus finch]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

So that any LEO, local, state or federal can stop you without probable cause and search you and your vehicle...... I like where this train wreck is headed. I'll be cleaning guns this weekend

Damn good point & something I hadn't thought of. Now that you mention it it's got me to thinking, is this going to go the way of the no-fly lists?
Where it's documented people are on those lists wrongly and have no literal recourse to get thier names off of them? If this goes down the same path, what will be the course of action here?
Probable cause for stop and search? Glitch in the system (no, that'll never happen.....no fly lists work just fine......)Wrong name, wrong ID , they think you're wanted for whatever and you get guns pulled on you, face down on terra-firma? "Gee, sorry `bout that, we thought you were someone else"
If someone spends time in the graybar motel wrongly due to wrong ID in a system glitch and loses thier job because of it, what will the means of redress and/or recourse be? Who will be liable for that and how?
What is to stop this from becoming the same as the no-fly lists?
I don't even know what to say........

[SF_BHT]

Guys. This is old news....

Police have cameras at police stations at read LPs to have a heads up if someone of interest pulls in. They might be coming with I'll intent. That has been out over 10-15 yrs.

Local and state Police cars all over the country have had systems installed on select PCs that travel around and pop plates that have warrants out on them.

Police have for a long time have had the capability to type in or call in a plate....

There are states that have cameras setup at tolls, overpasses, airports, ports, bridges, etc etc that are tied into databases also to get heads up on a flagged plate. This has been run up and down the court system and it has passed the test so far.

There have been mobile systems that can be towed and parked to capture plates for a long time also.

All statesas far as I know are now tied into each other in some shape or form. Sme are not immediately accessed but most pop within a few seconds.

This HLS notice is actually already rolled out as just another link to existing systems from state and local data bases.

Can it be abused YES, does it get abused probaly does but it is nothing new except this part will have a DHS/HLS sticker on it. If we were going to be worried and fight this it should have been done 15 yrs ago.

I believe in privacy but the LPs are public records not like your medical history. We use this type of data at times but I personally have not seem any abuse yet in my job. I have heard of patrol officers getting info for hot girls but have never seen it.

I do kow where we had a child kidnapping and the plate popped and we were able to return the kid where without it we were just spinning our wheels.

Just my 2cts of info.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Pete

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' and why?"

Same problem with input from the local piece of the Fusion Center structure - how one gets in, easy. How it gets out - not so much. Still, we have the behavior of NSA, DHS and the IRS to comfort us that "strict protocols are followed."

Play the film to the end. An automated video version of "you were expected to travel between A & B but are overdue - what have you been doing?" The timetable between W Berlin & Helmstedt was nothin'.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Pete

The problem is "Who gets added to the 'hot list' ?"

White Male Conservative Hetero Christians

Originally Posted by orion5

I'm surprised at how easy it is for govt agencies to act with impunity these days. How quick are situations labeled "false controversies", and the general population obediently goes back to drowning itself in Flappy Bird.

I know there's no way to stop technology, but have zero faith any of these agencies will use restraint (or the Constitution) as a backdrop for their decisions.

With no punishments or corrections in sight, no one gives a second thought to overstepping privacy. "Let's put everyone on the list. We might need that data one day. For the children."

When have license plates been private information??