02-11-2014, 01:35
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Enhanced (RFID) Drivers Licence offered in MN
As it is now, this is merley an option one can freelty choose to enroll in.
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...244738141.html
My questions:
1. Looking forward, when does this become mandatory?
2. Will this be fodder for the voter ID debate in my home state?
3.If other border states like this plan and offer (eventually impliment ) similar measures, how long before it gets considered nationally?
After a bit of Google-fu...
4. From DHS website: https://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers...-what-are-they
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a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your biographic and biometric data for the CBP officer as you approach the border inspection booth, and
a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.
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and then 2 paragraphs later...
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No personally identifiable information is stored on the card's RFID chip or can be transmitted electronically by the card. The card uses a unique identification number that links to information contained in a secure Department of Homeland Security database. This number does not contain any personally identifiable information.
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So is this referring to the physical descriptions similar to the ones already on your drivers licence or can one's "record/file" contain data from more personal areas such as medical records, political affiliations, income, etc?
Has anyone else caught wind of this or have experience with these new cards?
Interesting times indeed...
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02-11-2014, 03:59
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This number does not contain any personally identifiable information.
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So what if the number itself doesn't contain PII? A good database developer just needs to give it a button such that...
Code:
/* This is pseudocode. YMMV */
// connect to DHS database and CBP database
USE dhs, cbp;
// retrieve all PII from DHS that corresponds to number in CBP's database
SELECT * FROM dhs.pii, cbp.citizens WHERE dhs.pii.dhs_num = cbp.citizens.dhs_num;
In English: As long as that chip's number corresponds to a number somewhere else that has your PII attached to it, it might as well be PII to the interpreter.
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02-11-2014, 04:15
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Quick question
I am unfamiliar with PII. Does that stand for personal identification information?
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02-11-2014, 06:01
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That, or personally-identifiable information.
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02-11-2014, 09:55
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My passport card has a chip in it...
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02-11-2014, 10:40
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mark46th:
I think it's more of a "Why is DHS lying to us again?" issue, rather than a privacy/4th-Amendment issue.
This, especially after that Maryland transit cop stopped a Florida driver just because he thought there was a firearm in the vehicle, after comparing the guy's license plate/DL to some database where his CCW was listed (thus, escalating it into a 4th Amendment issue).
Cross-thread points 
Also, it's far more common to carry a drivers license than a passport when you aren't leaving the country.
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02-11-2014, 11:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mark46th
My passport card has a chip in it...
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That's for your "protection".... or maybe not..... 
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02-11-2014, 15:45
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BrokenSwitch thanks for the clarification.
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Last edited by theis223; 02-11-2014 at 15:45.
Reason: spelling
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02-11-2014, 15:51
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With an RFID chip, they don't even have to stop you to know the ID and history of every License in your car. The computer will then tell them if anyone needs to be stopped or arrested. Look for more profiling complaints.
They can drive by and scan you without you ever knowing. They can set up a reader in a crowd and record everyone packing a License that passes within range of the reader.
Unless you get a secure place to keep the card where it can't be read.
http://www.loksak.com/products/shieldsak
1984 is here, friends.
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02-11-2014, 15:56
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I just keep mine up in my hat, the aluminum foil shields it.
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02-11-2014, 18:38
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Don't worry. Get the new DL. Then you can put a strong magnet on it and kill the chip. Our PIV and other card that has a RFID dies a lot.
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02-13-2014, 13:41
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RFID and Magnets
Maybe the thread on use of magnets for weapons retention has some merit here. Cross thread points for having magnets in your vehicle or in your day pack to wipe out RFID info.
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