Fashion police cracks down at Hawaii Army base

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Soldiers in uniform are being watched for uniform and haircut violations, walking and talking on cellphones (not permitted), failing to render proper courtesies and failing to follow other regulations.

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[Tree Potato]

Those Hawaiian soldiers suffering from the fashion police should look to the AF for inspiration; we take our fashion and tee times seriously:

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[Debo]

walking and talking on cellphones (not permitted)

So we are supposed to shoot, move, and communicate. But we can't even move and communicate.




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[Pete]

Originally Posted by Debo

So we are supposed to shoot, move, and communicate. But we can't even move and communicate.




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It's not that you can't - it's that you're not allowed.

Hey, maybe a range drill for shoot, move and communicate. Advance with pistol and firing while talking on cell phone.

[abc_123]

So in summary, at Schofield they are making soldiers and dependents adhere to Army regulations. Soliders and dependents don't like it because they can't do what they want. Because soldiers and dependents who voluntarily serve and voluntarily live and frequent post think its "stupid" it is news.

Courtesy patrols have been determined to be needed because making soldiers and dependents adhere to regulations is evidently seen as an atrophied skill set amongst the NCO Corps at this post. The post commander evidently does not believe that his Officers have the ability (more likely the balls) to hold the NCOs accountable, so, he and his CSM are trying to jump start the process and provide some artificial "backbone" until the organization get's itself sorted out.

Good move, in my book.

Doing the simple things right is simple. But individuals place the blame elsewhere when they are the ones making things hard.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by abc_123

So in summary, at Schofield they are making soldiers and dependents adhere to Army regulations. Soliders and dependents don't like it because they can't do what they want. ..........

Oh, I got no heartburn with about 90% of that - it's just that about 10% of it is going to be for silly shit like you just jumped off a truck from a day at the range an and are walking back to your car when somebody jumps in your shit about your uniform appearance.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Pete

Oh, I got no heartburn with about 90% of that - it's just that about 10% of it is going to be for silly shit like you just jumped off a truck from a day at the range an and are walking back to your car when somebody jumps in your shit about your uniform appearance.

Very true. That courtesy patrol duty will be the most exciting and fulfilling duty that some will ever do. A real power trip.

There is always the law of unintended consequences.

[scooter]

In Iraq back in 05' we had a big army sergeant major who came over to RPC and started making uniform corrections... he was escorted off and told to stay out. Some people really get a kick out of this sort of thing and can't apply context or common sense.

[cbtengr]

I never knew anything but a peace time Army, it will no doubt be a hard adjustment for those who have spent the bulk of their time deployed.

I never thought that any private just out of AIT should be sent to Korea the reason being that they were coddled by houseboys who made their bunks, shined their shoes cleaned their quarters and did all the things for them that they would have been expected to do for themselves in a state side unit. They too had some adjustment issues.

By all means context and common sense will have to come into play, to me it comes down to one’s discipline and personal pride. Back to the basics of soldiering, surely many of you can recall seeing some ragtag private with absolutely no military bearing standing outside the PX on a training post and thinking WTF.

[Tree Potato]

Lived just down the road from there three years ago, and had the impression the majority of the problem was from a handful of repeat offenders.

IMHO rather than make everyone feel like Big Brother is watching, they should focus on those who are the problem. Simply post clothing expectations at each facility and have store managers and facility leadership escort violators out. Word would spread quickly. No need for special armbands and a roving patrol...treat people like adults and call them out on the spot as needed.

[scooter]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

I never knew anything but a peace time Army, it will no doubt be a hard adjustment for those who have spent the bulk of their time deployed.

I never thought that any private just out of AIT should be sent to Korea the reason being that they were coddled by houseboys who made their bunks, shined their shoes cleaned their quarters and did all the things for them that they would have been expected to do for themselves in a state side unit. They too had some adjustment issues.

By all means context and common sense will have to come into play, to me it comes down to one’s discipline and personal pride. Back to the basics of soldiering, surely many of you can recall seeing some ragtag private with absolutely no military bearing standing outside the PX on a training post and thinking WTF.

I agree some of those basic garrison discipline things from the 90's have been lost, and the force needs a bit of a tune up. Then again, we lost some stupid and faddish things since then that don't need to return. I am seeing guys sew on their name tapes and patches, and it looks good. We don't need to start starching our uniforms again (which always said DO NOT STARCH on the label BTW), and the move to rough boots that could not shine was past due. Look professional, yes. But the obsession with what color backpack I was wearing and freaking out when I used both straps (as designed) does NOT need to be reintroduced. I'm talking to YOU Raymond Chandler.

Overall I will withhold judgement and see how it all plays out, but I clearly remember that every NCO I ever heard say "you have to be a Total Soldier" was incompetent in everything except dress and courtesies.

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by abc_123

Very true. That courtesy patrol duty will be the most exciting and fulfilling duty that some will ever do. A real power trip.

There is always the law of unintended consequences.

I still have fond memories of my time as Hallway Monitor in the 3rd Grade.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Pete

Oh, I got no heartburn with about 90% of that - it's just that about 10% of it is going to be for silly shit like you just jumped off a truck from a day at the range an and are walking back to your car when somebody jumps in your shit about your uniform appearance.

Where the hell will you get a truck from with this budget?

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[MtnGoat]

Yes the Army has lost discipline and I don't know what is going in Hawaii. But discipline does get fixed by courtesy patrols won't fix discipline. Typically soldiers follow what leaders do and by leaders leading by example. Basic corrections on what ever the problem goes a long way. Post CSM needs to do a little post level NCOPD with all of his 1SG, SGMs and CSMs, telling them the problems with the solutions. Most soldiers, as noted just on this board don't know about cell phones rules because it has never been enforced. The same is likely true with most of what is discussed in this article. Also if enforced at all units, then in time it will spread across the post. Nothing happens over night, unlike what most leaders think.

On the cell phone note, the no cell phone used while in uniform brings to mind the AFN commercial having the guy tackle guys in different place jumped to mind while reading this. I died laughing the first couple times I saw it while deployed.

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Most soldiers, as noted just on this board don't know about cell phones rules because it has never been enforced.

Not that I didn't know- I have known since out back in the barracks parking lot on the first night of airborne school when I got tuned up by one of the Airborne's finest. It is that I find it dumb. Having rules for the sake of rules doesn't make sense to me and doesn't equal discipline. Especially when Johnny Bluetooth is yakking away with a big earpiece in and its ok.

I would much rather see them enforce the PT standards and get the shitbirds out. Discipline starts at the chow line.


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