11-21-2013, 09:04
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Army To Discharge Convicted Sex Offenders
Hunh? 
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Army To Discharge Convicted Sex Offenders
MilTimes, 20 Nov 2013
The secretary of the Army has issued an order to round up all convicted sex offenders in the service “as soon as possible” and initiate proceedings for their discharge from the Army.
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McHugh also recently ordered that officers and noncommissioned officers be assessed in their professional evaluations for their efforts to create a climate free of sexual assault and harassment.
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Separation proceedings for the soldiers will be started regardless of the date of their conviction for the sex offense, according to the directive.
For enlisted soldiers, separation proceedings will start even if after their conviction they were evaluated for retention and allowed to stay. Commissioned and warrant officers will not face separation proceedings if they were already evaluated for retention after their conviction and retained, according to the memo.
(Cont'd) http://www.militarytimes.com/article...medium=twitter
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11-21-2013, 09:16
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Why are they still in?
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For enlisted soldiers, separation proceedings will start even if after their conviction they were evaluated for retention and allowed to stay. Commissioned and warrant officers will not face separation proceedings if they were already evaluated for retention after their conviction and retained, according to the memo.
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Why? ....even more
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11-21-2013, 09:21
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Originally Posted by Richard
Hunh?
Richard
Army To Discharge Convicted Sex Offenders
MilTimes, 20 Nov 2013
The secretary of the Army has issued an order to round up all convicted sex offenders in the service “as soon as possible” and initiate proceedings for their discharge from the Army.
<snip>
McHugh also recently ordered that officers and noncommissioned officers be assessed in their professional evaluations for their efforts to create a climate free of sexual assault and harassment.
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Separation proceedings for the soldiers will be started regardless of the date of their conviction for the sex offense, according to the directive.
For enlisted soldiers, separation proceedings will start even if after their conviction they were evaluated for retention and allowed to stay. Commissioned and warrant officers will not face separation proceedings if they were already evaluated for retention after their conviction and retained, according to the memo.
(Cont'd) http://www.militarytimes.com/article...medium=twitter
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Ahh, a lesson on how to build hate and dissent in the military.
This is how you destroy a standing army, have one set of standards for the enlisted and another, lower standard, for the officers.
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11-21-2013, 09:42
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It's all about downsizing the military.. one that isn't know, but the Army also is barring soldiers from Reuping if they domestic violence record/ issues/ etc.
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11-21-2013, 11:50
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Good enough in war but cast aside in peace (unless an officer which are always good enough).
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11-21-2013, 12:06
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I'm wondering what is their definition of sex offender, it can range from public urination to...well there really isn't an upper limit in the depravity of the crime.
Just in the data base?
Now it can't really be considered different standards, they're seperate but equal. Just like pt standards for women. 
Which makes me wonder are any of the flag grade officers sex offenders?
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11-21-2013, 12:10
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Depends if the General stealing ladies under garments is documented as a shop lifter, or feeding his fetish for domination by another same-sex General Officer. He could be in a lot of trouble if his fantasy was with an Enllisted Soldier. 
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11-21-2013, 16:50
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Ahh, a lesson on how to build hate and dissent in the military.
This is how you destroy a standing army, have one set of standards for the enlisted and another, lower standard, for the officers.
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X-ring.
Maybe all the lady Senators in the Capitol on CSPAN in the morning beating their chests to get the criminalization of some currently UCMJ-related things RE sexual harassment attached to a DoD funding measure will do the right thing anyway. Justice will be served.(gag)
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11-28-2013, 00:21
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Why are they still in?
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when I was certified SAMFE (sexual assault medical forensic examiner), it was explained to me that in the big recruiting push in the early 2000's, the Army was the only one that allowed registered offender to enlist.
So do the math. Those guys became E-6, E-7, WO or O in the past few years and were in charge of 17, 18, 19 years old and so recruits. It was a target rich environment. When assault made headlines and SHARP training was increased, it's no surprise.
Having said that, the US Army has the highest conviction rate, and most SAMFE trained than all the other branches. The whole idea to let civilian court take the lead is silly at best. Bragg's DA conviction rate is also higher, and from reporting to prosecution is faster, than Fayetteville's.
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12-01-2013, 23:32
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I do wonder if "sex offender" will be applied to someone who had a public indecency charge or some other "minor" sex offence. As an example, I had a guy I went to school with who was charged with public indecency for having sex with his wife in a hotel with the blinds mostly open. I don't know what became of the case, but I see that he's an E6 now looking on AKO. Supposing he was convicted, it'd be a shame if he gets kicked out now.
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12-02-2013, 04:43
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when I was certified SAMFE (sexual assault medical forensic examiner), it was explained to me that in the big recruiting push in the early 2000's, the Army was the only one that allowed registered offender to enlist.
So do the math. Those guys became E-6, E-7, WO or O in the past few years and were in charge of 17, 18, 19 years old and so recruits. It was a target rich environment. When assault made headlines and SHARP training was increased, it's no surprise.
Having said that, the US Army has the highest conviction rate, and most SAMFE trained than all the other branches. The whole idea to let civilian court take the lead is silly at best. Bragg's DA conviction rate is also higher, and from reporting to prosecution is faster, than Fayetteville's.
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Things no never know. Only branch!?!?? You think was a target reach environment!? Highlines equals SHARP training, yet will that fix a recut meant driven problem? Even the root cause of sexual assault.
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12-02-2013, 19:48
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Agreed with MTNGoat.
Personally, I don't really care what it takes..............To get rid of the scum within our Army, and at the same time.............reduce the number of man hours that SFODAs have to dedicate to SHARP training.
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12-03-2013, 19:54
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^^ Agreed to all of the above.
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