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Old 11-20-2013, 11:25   #1
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North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood

Someone's going to get shot...... I cannot believe this happened in Texas! This would be fine, in a communist country.....

This shit is getting out of hand.



North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood

Fort Worth police apologize for its role in federal survey
By Scott Gordon
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 | Updated 7:18 AM CST

Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.

It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.

"I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said.

Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next.

"They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."

At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.

She said she felt trapped.

"I finally did the Breathalyzer test just because I thought that would be the easiest way to leave," she said, adding she received no money.

Fort Worth police earlier said they could not immediately find any record of officer involvement but police spokesman Sgt. Kelly Peel said Tuesday that the department's Traffic Division coordinated with the NHTSA on the use of off-duty officers after the agency asked for help with the survey.

"We are reviewing the actions of all police personnel involved to ensure that FWPD policies and procedures were followed," he said. "We apologize if any of our drivers and citizens were offended or inconvenienced by the NHTSA National Roadside Survey."

NBC DFW confirmed that the survey was done by a government contractor, the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, which is based in Calverton, Md.

A company spokeswoman referred questions to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

An agency spokeswoman sent an email confirming the government is conducting the surveys in 30 cities across the country in an effort to reduce impaired-driving accidents.

She did not respond to another email from NBC DFW asking specific questions about the program..

But a Fort Worth attorney who is an expert in civil liberties law questioned whether such stops are constitutional.

"You can't just be pulled over randomly or for no reason," said attorney Frank Colosi.

He also noted the fine print on a form given to drivers informs them their breath was tested by "passive alcohol sensor readings before the consent process has been completed."

"They're essentially lying to you when they say it's completely voluntary, because they're testing you at that moment," Colosi said.

He also questioned the results of the "voluntary" survey -- speculating that drivers who had been drinking or using drugs would be more inclined to simply decline to participate.

Cope said she is troubled by what happened.

"It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."

Asked Tuesday if she accepted the police department's apology, Cope said she would wait to see what the review showed.

"They need to make sure this doesn't happen again," she said.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:47   #2
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Next someone will require that you pick up the phone when the caller-id says survey.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:03   #3
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If it was supposed to be voluntary then why did the police set up a check-point?

I hope there are some lawsuits over this.

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Old 11-20-2013, 12:52   #4
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How else is Dear Leader going to incrementally program the sheeple to just get into those railroad cars.

The camel's nose is well under the tent.
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Old 11-20-2013, 14:47   #5
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It's a Bactrian camel and the first hump is under the tent.

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Old 11-20-2013, 14:58   #6
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First Question

So now the first question you have to ask a cop when you're pulled over is "Are you on duty or moonlighting?"

Then the next question "Am I being detained?"
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Old 11-20-2013, 16:31   #7
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Cope said she is troubled by what happened.

"It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."
There's the question that I hope will get asked in court before some municipality has to pony up some really egregious, bank-breaking, credit-rate sinking sum of money.

Further, part of the problem is that many folks simply don't know their own rights enough to ask Pete's (now second) question. Apparently the long train of abuses hasn't had enough cars hooked up yet...
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Old 11-20-2013, 18:52   #8
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"Why am I being stopped officer?"

"Do you have some probable cause to believe I have committed a crime?"

"Am I being detaineed or am I free to leave?"

"No, I do not consent to a search of my car."

"Am I being detaineed or am I free to leave?"

"No, I do not consent to providing a DNA swab or a blood sample."

"Am I being detaineed or am I free to leave?"

"No, I do not wish to provide a breath test."

"Am I being detaineed or am I free to leave?

"If I am not free to leave, may I call my attorney?


The cheek swab is not for alcohol testing, it is a DNA sample.

I suspect that is what the blood sample is for as well, though it is capable of providing data for many different tests.

The real question is who really was behind the collection of this data and for what purpose?

When some with arrest powers is telling you to do something, it is not really voluntary.

Conspiracies are looking more plausible every day.

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Old 11-20-2013, 19:03   #9
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Old 11-20-2013, 19:36   #10
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The WH carney, "Baghdad" Jay Carney, has reportedly suggested that the police roadblock and requests by federal contractors for samples of citizen's breath, saliva and even blood were most likely a spontaneous reaction to an offensive YouTube video...
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Old 11-20-2013, 19:38   #11
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The WH carney, "Baghdad" Jay Carney, has reportedly suggested that the police roadblock and requests by federal contractors for samples of citizen's breath, saliva and even blood were most likely a spontaneous reaction to an offensive YouTube video...
What! You got to be kidding, no one would fall for a stupid story like that...
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The WH carney, "Baghdad" Jay Carney, has reportedly suggested that the police roadblock and requests by federal contractors for samples of citizen's breath, saliva and even blood were most likely a spontaneous reaction to an offensive YouTube video...
Shit!!! I just spit vodka and coke all over my computer screen.....
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Old 11-20-2013, 20:10   #13
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I've done road side checks, for things like seat belts, others I work with have done DUI check points. But you have to have some kind of "reasonable suspicion" (Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)) for the stop.

Contractors conducting traffic stops/road blocks/check points.....were they wearing brown shirts with arm bands? Somebody say "PAPERS?!",

I hope the off duty coppers had nothing to do with conducting the stop.

Hate have to defend those actions in federal court.
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Old 11-20-2013, 20:59   #14
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Come on we're going to o out next week and do some of these here in the Island. Now what is the problem

Nothing to see here move along
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Old 11-20-2013, 21:00   #15
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It appears they did

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.....I hope the off duty coppers had nothing to do with conducting the stop......
It appears they did.

From the story...

"...Fort Worth police earlier said they could not immediately find any record of officer involvement but police spokesman Sgt. Kelly Peel said Tuesday that the department's Traffic Division coordinated with the NHTSA on the use of off-duty officers after the agency asked for help with the survey......"
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