10-31-2013, 18:01
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Private Medical Training
I was wondering if anyone knows of a quality medical training group specializing in combat medicine. It seems that with all the private military training available these days (CRI, Academi, etc.) there is not a medical equivalent. Any information is appreciated.
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11-01-2013, 04:50
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The Special Forces 18D Medic's training approaches that of a Physicians Assistant, exceeds that of an RN. The breath of their education covers all medical emergencies, from wound trauma, to dental, to child birth, to animal husbandry. It takes years.
You are not going to find that caliber of medical education in a 2 week wanna-B-camp.
You could take all the various courses that are offered to EMT rescue and you would end up with a good basic medical education.
Even the later will take years to accumulate.
You personally need to read and search the fora before you ask questions. This is not a good start.
Find "message to Garcia", understand the underlining complexities in the story, then do 500 push-up and ruck 20 miles..
Move out..
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11-01-2013, 11:12
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Here, I'll give you a class in all you'll ever need to know (everything else is just flash).
There are only THREE rules you'll ever need to know ....
Rule #1 .... Air goes in and out. Blood goes round and round. Any deviation from the two, fix it.
Rule #2 .... If it's wet, sticky, and not yours, don't touch it.
Rule #3 .... You can't fix stupid.
Class dismissed.
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11-01-2013, 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdiver
Here, I'll give you a class in all you'll ever need to know (everything else is just flash).
There are only THREE rules you'll ever need to know ....
Rule #1 .... Air goes in and out. Blood goes round and round. Any deviation from the two, fix it.
Rule #2 .... If it's wet, sticky, and not yours, don't touch it.
Rule #3 .... You can't fix stupid.
Class dismissed.
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11-01-2013, 12:15
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
The Special Forces 18D Medic's training approaches that of a Physicians Assistant, exceeds that of an RN. The breath of their education covers all medical emergencies, from wound trauma, to dental, to child birth, to animal husbandry. It takes years.
You are not going to find that caliber of medical education in a 2 week wanna-B-camp.
You could take all the various courses that are offered to EMT rescue and you would end up with a good basic medical education.
Even the later will take years to accumulate.
You personally need to read and search the fora before you ask questions. This is not a good start.
Find "message to Garcia", understand the underlining complexities in the story, then do 500 push-up and ruck 20 miles..
Move out..
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Roger that JJ....Ditto from me There are no short cuts!
I would say "exceeds" the PA training. PA's don't need to practice their craft in hostile environments or at least not until O'care is fully implemented anyway.
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Last edited by Trapper John; 11-01-2013 at 12:18.
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11-01-2013, 13:10
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Sometime in '71 WRAMC sent a team to Bragg test some of our medics.
Most of the guys tested had at least 1 tour in VN.
These guy's were tested 4 or 5 times before WRAMC was happy.
This was the start of the Army PA program.
The first PA class was 37 guys, 36 of these came from SF.
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11-01-2013, 14:40
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When I was a 18D student in '92 I was told that those of us with no prior training were the best students. Reason being that we had less to un-learn since the lessons come hard and fast. "Yeah but COSCOM does it like this" will get you shot!
If I were to advise anyone in preparation for SOCM, I'd recommend A&P and other related material. Technique related instruction (such as EMT-P) might pose trouble. They do stuff different. Ever watch a guy go through SLJM who's buddy taught him JMPI? Ugly....
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11-01-2013, 19:46
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Jerry,
Here is a thought...not sure where in WV you live, but many of the urban fire departments may allow you to do some training with them. Your question was related to combat medicine...I have found that some great hands-on training for our military medical professionals is done in urban settings...that being said, you should inquire with your local paramedics. It is good training for them as well.
Just my 2-cents.
-Spiked Buck
aka "retired medical guy"
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11-03-2013, 23:59
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I appreciate all the replies and information.
JJ PBK:
Good copy on the message to Garcia thing, won't happen again. Certainly was not looking for a way to shortcut or undermine 18D training.
Brush Okie:
I greatly appreciate the insight and perspective. I will keep what you said regarding real world experience in mind.
spottedmedic111:
Thank you for the advice. I will definitely be looking into the study materials you mentioned. Seems as though I was getting a little ahead of myself. Wouldn't want to waste time and money learning something just to turn around and un-learn it.
SpikedBuck:
I'm a member of the local fire department in my schools town but its far from urban. Martinsburg is not that far away, I'll see what I can do as far as cross training with them. Thank you.
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11-04-2013, 05:28
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Well they aren't "combat" oriented but the wilderness medical classes offered by several organizations are good classes for learning about medicine where you can't transport a patient immediately to a hospital.
Wilderness EMT would be a good start.
http://www.wildmed.com/wilderness-me...nals/emt-w.php
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11-04-2013, 08:52
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Could also look into a tactical medicine class
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11-04-2013, 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry4463
I was wondering if anyone knows of a quality medical training group specializing in combat medicine. It seems that with all the private military training available these days (CRI, Academi, etc.) there is not a medical equivalent. Any information is appreciated.
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If you are in West Virginia, you may have access to Pegasus/UVA sponsored response net. There is an annual conference, I am there every year, and may have suggestions for training specific to your area. Drop me a pm if you'd like, and perhaps we can work something out.
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03-03-2014, 10:01
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There are several great training groups out there. I have trained with T1G in memphis, ISTM Tac Med in Palm Springs and with JTM in Vegas both are highly qualified to teach Combat/Tac Med and would recommend them to anyone looking to find a course for themselves or a group that the work with. Gryphon Group also does some medical training now. Just know that these courses are very pricey for an individual but well worth the cost IMHO. Most of the reputable Med training groups will build you a custom course if you have a large enough group.
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