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Old 10-11-2013, 08:44   #1
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Krauthammer: Obama "Bait 'n Switch" on Debt Ceiling Compromise

This is pretty bold talk coming from one of the few "conservative journalists" invited to the White House for an audience with the King.

Honor, tact and common courtesy have disappeared. We're observing the implosion of the political structure of the Country.

Again, I want to thank each and every one of you savants who voted for Obama.


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Charles Krauthammer told viewers Thursday on “Special Report with Bret Baier” that President Obama’s reluctance to accept House Speaker John Boehner’s compromise proposal for a six- week clean debt ceiling increase amounted to a “bait and switch here on the part of the Obama administration.”

“Obama was quite clear on Tuesday where he said he had been demanding up until now, you give me a one year extension on the debt, or I'm not going to talk, ” said Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor.

“So, the President offered an off ramp, in which he said ‘I will accept any length of extension’ meaning: I'll accept just a technical one, a short one, a couple of weeks. And that offered a compromise so they could start negotiations. He gets a debt ceiling increase so he can say, ‘well, now I can talk.’ Boehner is able to engage in negotiations, with what would be a trivial extension.

“So, Boehner has his offer, he goes in to see the president, you would expect that he would then have a six-week extension and discuss all of these issues. What seems to have happened is there are now demands from the president, on the reopening of the government, which was not what they had said earlier in the week, which is why I think they are stuck now."

Krauthammer told viewers Boehner and his caucus should stand their ground. “I think the Republicans ought to stand fast on this. We're offering you six weeks, we're offering an opportunity for real negotiations on debt, the reductions, all kind of other stuff, eminently reasonable and I hope they don't budge on this,” he said.

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Old 10-11-2013, 10:20   #2
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The Divider-in-Chief keeps driving that wedge...

A house divided...


Is Red State America Seceding?
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Pat Buchanan | Oct 11, 2013


In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.

Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.

Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.

Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.

The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.

The spirit of secession, the desire of peoples to sever ties to nations to which they have belonged for generations, sometimes for centuries, and to seek out their own kind, is a spreading phenomenon.

Scotland is moving toward a referendum on independence from England, three centuries after the Acts of Union. Catalonia pushes to be free of Madrid. Milanese and Venetians see themselves as a European people apart from Sicilians, Neapolitans and Romans.

Dutch-speaking Flanders wants to cut loose of French-speaking Wallonia in Belgium. Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic moment to secede from Canada.

What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language -- but now also economics. And separatist and secessionist movements are cropping up here in the United States.

While many Red State Americans are moving away from Blue State America, seeking kindred souls among whom to live, those who love where they live but not those who rule them are seeking to secede.

The five counties of Western Maryland -- Garrett, Allegheny, Washington, Frederick and Carroll, which have more in common with West Virginia and wish to be rid of Baltimore and free of Annapolis, are talking secession.

The issues driving secession in Maryland are gun control, high taxes, energy policy, homosexual marriage and immigration.

Scott Strzelczyk, who lives in the town of Windsor in Carroll County and leads the Western Maryland Initiative, argues: "If you have a long list of grievances, and it's been going on for decades, and you can't get it resolved, ultimately [secession] is what you have to do."

And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states -- Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia -- were born out of other states.

Ten northern counties of Colorado are this November holding non-binding referenda to prepare a future secession from Denver and the creation of America's 51st state.

Nine of the 10 Colorado counties talking secession and a new state, writes Reid Wilson of the Washington Post -- Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma -- all gave more than 62 percent of their votes to Mitt Romney. Five of these 10 counties gave Romney more than 75 percent of their vote.

Their issues with the Denver legislature: A new gun control law that triggered a voter recall of two Democratic state senators, state restrictions on oil exploration, and the Colorado legislature's party-line vote in support of gay marriage.

In California, which many have long believed should be split in two, the northern counties of Modoc and Siskyou on the Oregon border are talking succession -- and then union in a new state called Jefferson.

"California is essentially ungovernable in its present size," says Mark Baird of the Jefferson Declaration Committee. Baird hopes to attract a dozen counties to join together before petitioning the state to secede.

Like the western Maryland and northern Colorado counties, the northern California counties are conservative, small town, rural, and have little in common with San Francisco or Los Angeles, or Sacramento, where Republicans hold not one statewide office and are outnumbered better than 2-1 in both houses of the state legislature.

Folks on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, bordered by Wisconsin and the Great Lakes, which is connected to lower Michigan by a bridge, have long dreamed of a separate state called Superior. The UP has little in common with Lansing and nothing with Detroit.

While the folks in western Maryland, northern Colorado, northern California and on the Upper Peninsula might be described as Red State secessionists, in Vermont the secessionists seem of the populist left. The Montpelier Manifesto of the Second Vermont Republic concludes:

"Citizens, lend your names to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it."

This sort of intemperate language may be found in Thomas Jefferson's indictment of George III. If America does not get its fiscal house in order, and another Great Recession hits or our elites dragoon us into another imperial war, we will likely hear more of such talk.

http://townhall.com/columnists/patbu...0999/page/full
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:42   #3
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A house divided...

Well, you can't reason with imbeciles.

Most of the Country wants Obamacare gone. Cruz tries to represent most of the people regarding that issue, and not only the socialist dems excoriate and villify him, a potload of RINOS are doing it, as well. Might as well secede.

Let's do it.

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lol, first gotta rescue the poor folks trapped in upstate New York and most of NH, western MD, etc., etc., !
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lol, first gotta rescue the poor folks trapped in upstate New York and most of NH, western MD, etc., etc., !
Hey, they can relo. Gas is cheap, right now.
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I do not have faith in Boehner. I'm sorry he lost me as soon as the first tears started falling.

I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.
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Hey, they can relo. Gas is cheap, right now.
Gas is up 100% in the last five years, since Obama took over.

And I agree, Boehner is a weak link who will fold at the first opportunity. He is the choice of the Repub establishment surrender monkeys, FWIW.

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Gas is up 100% in the last five years, since Obama took over.

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So's the deficit.
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I do not have faith in Boehner. I'm sorry he lost me as soon as the first tears started falling.

I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.
He lacks a pair of nuts and a spine.
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He lacks a pair of nuts and a spine.
.... and THAT right there is what Barry, Harry and Nancy will exploit. All they have to do is hunker down and wait.
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I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.

Boner could have played the role of the villager in Brave heart that said:

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Boner could have played the role of the villager in Brave heart that said:
Au contraire. I can hear those brass balls clangin' all the way out here in Hillbillyville:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...pen-Government


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Au contraire. I can hear those brass balls clangin' all the way out here in Hillbillyville:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...pen-Government


He can't be gone soon enough.
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I'm willing to vote democrat to see it done.

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I'm willing to vote democrat to see it done.

Fuck Boner

You can accomplish that by merely staying home
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