Classes and Certifications

[Silentium]

So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons

[Pete]

Be it SF, Rangers, CCT, Para Rescue, MARSOC and all the other SOF disciplines - there is nothing like it.

PADI is not the same as Combat Diver, Sky Diving is not the same as MFF, camping is not the same as humping a ruck through the bush and living there a couple of weeks, breathing hard a time or three on a target range is not the same as running a patrol in Afghanistan.

You either do it - or you don't.

And if it's not intense why do it?

[SF_BHT]

Pete

I am sure if he wants to pay a few of us we can put him through some realistic training to fill those needs.....

Dusty can do pre phase and phase 1
You can do the RTL and survival course
Reaper can do the Oh hell O's just supervise
TS can do the rucking and range work
Al can do the O&I training.
I can teach MFF
zonie can do the diving training.

We all get together for Phase 3 and PBR can do his graduation

It will only take 18 months and 1.8 million USD

We will start when the check clears....

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by Silentium

So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons

Try 5 years in prison. That will just about bring your survival skills up to par with a brand new Long Tab.

[Silentium]

Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Silentium

Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones

My friend, re read your opening comment/question.
It is akin to saying "I'd like to experience combat but where no one gets hurt".
A civilian survival school is as close to SOF/SF training as air soft combat is to a real fire fight.
Some times comments/queries just crack us up a bit....don't take it personal.
Damn, I'm in a mellow mood tonight.

[Scimitar]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Pete

I am sure if he wants to pay a few of us we can put him through some realistic training to fill those needs

Dusty can do pre phase and phase 1
You can do the RTL and survival course
Reaper can do the Oh hell O's just supervise
TS can do the rucking and range work
Al can do the O&I training.
I can teach MFF
zonie can do the diving training.

We all get together for Phase 3 and PBR can do his graduation

It will only take 18 months and 1.8 million USD

We will start when the check clears....

If there's a payment plan I'm in...with interest of course.

The real question is will you take bad knees.

S

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by Silentium

So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons

To answer your question as to how it is written, might I suggest the Boy Scouts. They are very "survival" oriented and they would probably fit the needs that you're looking for.

[ghp95134]

Try Outward Bound. They have a 50-day seminar that sounds like something to whet your appetite/skills. Most courses seem to be 15 days.

Available programs.

Example: OB Wilderness -- 15 days

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Found this nice about the organization:

Veterans.

Outward Bound is incredibly proud to offer fully funded 5-7 day wilderness courses to veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fully funded by generous donors, Outward Bound helps thousands of returning service members and military veterans readjust to life at home through the healing power of the wilderness and by reinforcing the gratification, confidence and self-worth that comes with working within a group. These courses build the skills necessary to successfully return to life after wartime service.

--ghp

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Pete

You either do it - or you don't.

What Pete said..

There are a couple of "simulator schools" that are billed as "real
deal".

Don Shipley's Extreme SEAL Experience comes to mind.

BUT they are not the real deal. You can only simulate. Things like no real bullets, no real bad guys, no real incoming, & no real ied's.

Beyond that the law would consider much of the real deal illegal and prosecutable as real deal crimes.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Silentium

Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones

Congratulations.

You have our attention.

You remember that old saying about asking a silly question?

TR

[cat in the hat]

Originally Posted by Silentium

Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones

it's not egotistic, it is an attitude earned and validated by a harsh and unforgiving career.

I'll share a favorite anecdote to illustrate. I was installing some electronic devices in the home of a wealthy man and when finished was showing him how everything worked. his great room looked like he could have stocked a new Cabelas with his trophy mounts. He had all the big cats, cape buffalo, every imaginable african animal with horns or claws. He was holding court with his cronies about his new electronic toys and saw me eying his trophies. in a mildly condescending voice asked "do you hunt?".

without skipping a beat, i replied "not since Afghanistan, if they aren't shooting back, it just doesn't seem exciting anymore." the look on his "buddies" faces was more than worth explaining to my boss why the customer had a problem with my attitude.

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by Silentium

Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones

My ego not to your liking? My ego spent 24 years serving your country and earning the right to speak honestly, and it didn't need a "less intensive" civilian course. You want a more precise answer, refine your question please. I still stand by my prison option, but hey, to each his own.

Objective observation, take it for whats its worth:

The civilian world is teaming with former military and or active posers who will promise you the world in exchange for your hard earned dollars. Why, we may even have some instructors trying to elicit your dollars here?? After the check clears you may harbor buyers remorse. You can take as many classes as you can afford and may go broke, but the closest you will ever reach to the standard we train to will be between Airsoft Ninja and "weekend warrior". It's not cost efficient, nor LEGAL. If it were not you would not need a military.

No one here payed cash for our "intensity", it was developed over years and earned. I sense you are not liking the intensity of my posts, <yawn>. My Detachment is comprised of the very best we can train or they wouldn't be here. We improve everyday, and continue to learn and develop well after the initial expenditure of "basic training" that resulted in a Long Tab and began our individual journey.

You seem to be asking how to replicate it without investing years, incurring actual risk, and suffering consequence for failure? Your post is not specific enough to communicate specific intent, thus it can be considered a joke.

But you were serious?





Enjoy your stay.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by cat in the hat

it's not egotistic, it is an attitude earned and validated by a harsh and unforgiving career.

Exactly

Originally Posted by cat in the hat

I was installing some electronic devices in the home

Can you swing by and program Trappers VCR...

Originally Posted by cat in the hat

his great room looked like he could have stocked a new Cabelas with his trophy mounts. He had all the big cats, cape buffalo, every imaginable african animal with horns or claws. He was holding court with his cronies about his new electronic toys and saw me eying his trophies. in a mildly condescending voice asked "do you hunt?".

without skipping a beat, i replied "not since Afghanistan, if they aren't shooting back, it just doesn't seem exciting anymore." the look on his "buddies" faces was more than worth explaining to my boss why the customer had a problem with my attitude.

X-ring!

[Silentium]

Ok first, I'll apologize. You're right, you have earned the right to be sarcastic and condescending. I have no right to take that away from you.

HOWEVER, what you seem to think is that I was implying that you could become a full fledged Green Beret by joining the boy scouts. It's not at all what I meant.

I am planning a career in film/finance. I have a beautiful, amazing, loving girlfriend. I want to start a family. I have the utmost respect for anyone who devotes their time to serving our country, regardless of their initial reason of joining, etc.

But, if this relationship pans out, I want to start a family and be there for my wife and kids. Please don't take that as an insult either. I'm not saying it's wrong to leave. I'm saying that at this point in my life, it's not my goal. I'm happy where I am. And being totally honest, I don't think I'm ready. I could make it through basic I'm sure, but if I were serious about joining I'd want to be prepared both physically and mentally for the best.

I have a few family members, a marine, a pararescue (whom I am not able to reach at this time), and army communications.

Anyways, what I'm getting at is that I know that nothing will compare and I don't want to be able to tell my friends "yea i'm totally awesome look what i learned at pretend bootcamp." I want to learn survival skills one to be prepared and two to incorporate it into some film scripts.

I'd love to do movies based on actual stories like the Lone Survivor one coming out.

I'm sorry I said the egotistical bit but I stand by the fact that it'd be way more respectable not to downplay and ridicule someone just because of your past. The first test of a truly great man is in his humility.

So anyways, specifically, i'm looking for something that is survival based, and maybe some basic tactical shooting courses, as to better protect my family and write films.

I'm sorry if you feel that's silly but if there is anyone on here who doesn't, I'd really appreciate any advice. Obviously I'm a little too old for the boy scouts.