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Old 09-08-2013, 18:04   #1
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U.S. Special Forces may be the answer in Syria

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...9416e8d20.html

U.S. Special Forces may be the answer in Syria
BY KEVIN GRAY | Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2013 12:00 am
I have been adamant over the past two years that the U.S. should not remain idle during the Syrian civil war, not only as thousands of
lives are lost, but as regional stability is threatened and an outcome beneficial to American interests becomes increasingly less likely.
Though saddened by the terrible event that forced a more active American approach, I am glad that the debate has come to the forefront.
However, I’m afraid retaliatory and punitive air strikes (the targets to which have already been shown on the cable news networks with
odd specificity, apparently operating under the assumption that no one watches CNN in Damascus) will be a perfunctory effort and
ultimately serve only as a preventative measure against the loss of U.S. credibility.
In his statements on Aug. 31, President Obama outlined what he would hope to accomplish and the way in which he would have it
accomplished: “We would not put boots on the ground. Instead, our action would be designed to be limited in duration and scope. But
I’m confident we can hold the Assad regime accountable for their use of chemical weapons, deter this kind of behavior and degrade
their capacity to carry it out.”
The question of the efficacy of potential air strikes has been commented upon by many more qualified to do so than myself, but it is
hard to see the merits even supposing the desired effect is achieved. Holding the Assad regime accountable neither benefits the rebels
nor furthers American interests. If a response from the U.S. that is limited in duration and scope would act as a deterrent against future
chemical attacks, then surely it should follow that the threat of such a response would do the same (which obviously it did not).
In fact, as Foreign Policy’s Peter Feaver suggests, it is even conceivable that a limited U.S. response is precisely the outcome the
Assad regime is hoping for, potentially calculating “that Obama’s manifest desire not to intervene in the civil war will yield a tepid U.S.
strike that Assad can easily withstand. Defying the United States and living to boast about it might be the game-changer Assad needs to
demoralize the rebels into making major concessions.”
follow that the U.S. should continue its policy of non-intervention in Syria? Not necessarily. An option which has not
been thoroughly explored is the insertion of U.S. Army Special Forces.
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Old 09-08-2013, 18:08   #2
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SF is always the answer. Anything, anytime, anyplace.

In this case, the powers- that- be might want to ask for an opinion before planning any operations...
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Old 09-08-2013, 18:18   #3
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And what mission in Syria might that be? FID? UW? DA? I just don't see it.

Can anyone draw up an outline of a mission that has an achievable objective appropriate for SF in Syria?
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Old 09-08-2013, 18:23   #4
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And what mission in Syria might that be? FID? UW? DA? I just don't see it.

Can anyone draw up an outline of a mission that has an achievable objective appropriate for SF in Syria?
Facilitating MAD.
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Old 09-08-2013, 18:26   #5
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Facilitating MAD.
Yep, that's what I thought
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Old 09-08-2013, 18:29   #6
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I'm thinking more like Sherman's march to the sea.....slash and burn, etc....
UW, with whom...Al Qaida surrogates.
DA....no.....you'd need Bn+ DA in that AO....
Training AQ in Jordan...beauty...how the hell do you vet whom you train...like the Zeta's or some of our fine friends in Astan.
Supposedly it is done for us....
loser all the way round.
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Old 09-08-2013, 20:44   #7
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You warrior types . .

Job One is to make the POTUS look good. Deaths or permanent injuries are not even in the equation.

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Old 09-08-2013, 21:10   #8
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Job One is to make the POTUS look good. Deaths or permanent injuries are not even in the equation.
You might want to consider using the sarcasm font for that one. "Winky" is likely to be misinterpreted. With negative results.
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Old 09-08-2013, 21:36   #9
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So much for opsec. This government hasn't learned the "Speak softly and carry a big stick" that Teddy Roosevelt put so eloquently. They are swaggering bullies, nothing more than paper tigers....
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Old 09-08-2013, 21:43   #10
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SF is always the answer. Anything, anytime, anyplace.

In this case, the powers- that- be might want to ask for an opinion before planning any operations...
Can I just add a to that post...very well said, IMVSHO.

This Country would be/will be better run if an SF Man were President.

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Old 09-08-2013, 21:46   #11
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Don't forget- Most of the public thinks Special Forces is really the SEALs...
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:11   #12
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As good as all of you guys are at doing what you do, I don't want to see anyone put in harm's way over Syria. I have equated this situation to POTUS' game of Chicken. I don't think he thought anyone would dare to disagree with him, and now he is stuck trying to save face.

jMO that the military as a whole will be better used in future crises that arise from the debacle POTUS has created by diminishing the presence and power that the US has historically wielded.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:09   #13
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SF in Syria

Stratfor's latest article ref: Syria also mentions this policy.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/syr...-arming-rebels [Sorry link allows members only I think].

It discusses a shift of the situation to pentagon control and how that might mean a shift in forces used (to SF) to achieve US objectives. I'll be curious to see how much more of this chatter appears and what opinion is about this as an option.
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Old 09-09-2013, 06:06   #14
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Can I just add a to that post...very well said, IMVSHO.

This Country would be/will be better run if an SF Man were President.

Holly
And if that were the case, an SF mission in Syria wouldn't even be fleeting thought.
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Old 09-09-2013, 06:15   #15
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A Dilemma for Syria's Minorities

A Dilemma for Syria's Minorities

http://www.aina.org/news/20130907123349.htm

"The Obama administration -- with the backing of key Republicans in Congress -- is poised to embark on a strategy that entails punitive airstrikes on Syrian government positions and stepped-up lethal aid to moderate elements of the Syrian opposition.

So far, however, the Syrian opposition has been unable to win significant support from the country's ethnic and religious minorities. Without such support, the opposition is unlikely to prevail even with stepped-up U.S. assistance. Moreover, the inability of the Syrian rebels, who are almost all Sunni Muslim Arabs, to win over the country's Kurds, Alawites and Christians raises the question of whether their victory is even desirable.

Over the last year, I have met with Kurdish, Christian and Alawite representatives as part of an effort to help prepare them to negotiate for their communities in a post-Bashar Assad Syria. I have been struck by the sense of unease they all feel about what may follow in Syria. (By most estimates, each group is about 11% of Syria's population, although Christian numbers have dropped in recent years and Kurdish numbers have risen.)......"

So just who are we going to help? Somebody who if they win are going to declare open season on +/- 33% of the population?
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