Obama walks back 'red line' stance on Syrian government

[Team Sergeant]

LOL, spineless. The damage Barry is doing to this nation will take 100 years to undo. He should be impeached and sent back to Chicago to flip hamburgers.


Obama walks back 'red line' stance on Syrian government using chemical weapons
Published April 30, 2013
FoxNews.com

President Obama, who earlier said use of chemical weapons by Syria on its people would be a “red line” requiring action by the U.S., walked the stance back on Tuesday, saying he needs more information on the reported attacks before responding.

Administration officials recently said intelligence analysts had "varying degrees of confidence" the embattled government of Syrian President Bashar Assad has gassed civilians with sarin. However, Obama said the administration is using all its resources to determine the facts about a weapon that he has said would be a "game changer" for U.S. policy in the war.

"If we end up rushing to judgment without hard, effective evidence ... we can find ourselves in a position where we can't marshal the international community in support of what we do," Obama said. "It's important for us to do this in a prudent way."

The administration long ago called for Assad to step down and pave the way for a new government. But Obama has resisted calls from some Republicans in Congress to send U.S. military aid to the rebels and perhaps commit U.S. military resources directly.


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[Trapper John]

And let me show you my "surprised" face Typical pattern for appeasers.

[PRB]

No Bam fan but I'd let them finish their civil war by themselves....the only 'intervention' I'd agree with would be to destroy (prob not feasible without huge collateral damage) or secure his Gas stocks.
There is no real alternative element to support.

[Dusty]

lol Ballsy move.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Dusty

lol Ballsy move.

You're so subtle...

[Badger52]

Sarin <---> Pressure cooker

One of these is a WMD.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

We have no business there. Let them kill each other without our input either way.

Disagree on that one. Syria is Iran's surrogate, with its strategic location, we can't let this one go bad! Resurrecting the Domino Theory here. JMO

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Disagree on that one. Syria is Iran's surrogate, with its strategic location, we can't let this one go bad! Resurrecting the Domino Theory here. JMO

Are you willing to commit US lives for it? I'm not. Let them take care of their own problems.

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Disagree on that one. Syria is Iran's surrogate, with its strategic location, we can't let this one go bad! Resurrecting the Domino Theory here. JMO

I think it will go bad regardless of outcome....he is an Iranian surrogate/player for political reasons only, not ideological ones...big dif. Syria is pred Sunni....playing with Shias is only expediancy ... the vacuum filler will be sunni rads not shia Iranians, no power base.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by afchic

Are you willing to commit US lives for it? I'm not. Let them take care of their own problems.

It's only to get worse and more costly in every aspect. JMO It is not just "their" problem. I wish it were that simple. This can and will IMO, spill over to Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, not to mention Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya (already in process). Do you really think that we will not be drawn in when Turkey (NATO ally) or Israel are directly and overtly threatened? How are we going to respond with a Navy <300 warships? A gutted AF? A depleted Army? This is shaping up to look like a pre-WWII scenario IMO just a different time, different place, and different actors. Outcomes are predictable given the current course we are on.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Our only options there are bad and worse. I don't see one reason to spill American blood there. They will hate us no matter what who is in power.

Then he shouldn't have stuck his ass out over the cliff with the "red line" BS.
That guy's so embarassing, he makes my butt muscles scrunch up. He treats other countries like Eddie Haskell treated June Cleaver.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

It's only to get worse and more costly in every aspect. JMO It is not just "their" problem. I wish it were that simple. This can and will IMO, spill over to Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, not to mention Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya (already in process). Do you really think that we will not be drawn in when Turkey (NATO ally) or Israel are directly and overtly threatened? How are we going to respond with a Navy <300 warships? A gutted AF? A depleted Army? This is shaping up to look like a pre-WWII scenario IMO just a different time, different place, and different actors. Outcomes are predictable given the current course we are on.

So what is your COA? We have a DoD that has been at war non-stop for 12 years. We have no hope of resetting our equipment anytime in the near future due to sequestration. We are cutting soldiers, airmen, seamen and marines from the ranks. So who do we send? How long will they be there, with what equipment. And oh by the way, with a citizenship who shows their support by putting magnetic ribbons on their cars. And oh by the way we are headed into another recession.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Then he shouldn't have stuck his ass out over the cliff with the "red line" BS.
That guy's so embarassing, he makes my butt muscles scrunch up. He treats other countries like Eddie Haskell treated June Cleaver.

Great comparison

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Then he shouldn't have stuck his ass out over the cliff with the "red line" BS.
That guy's so embarassing, he makes my butt muscles scrunch up. He treats other countries like Eddie Haskell treated June Cleaver.

So you are willing to send US troops to another war, just because you think the POTUS is an idiot? Seeing as how it is me and my troops going, vs you who wouldn't be going, I am hoping we can come up with another solution than more American blood.

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Then he shouldn't have stuck his ass out over the cliff with the "red line" BS.
That guy's so embarassing, he makes my butt muscles scrunch up. He treats other countries like Eddie Haskell treated June Cleaver.

Totally agree with that comment Dusty.......Here is what I and Henry Kissinger would do ...I'd back channel info to Assad that we'd support him, his concession would be to drop Hezbollah/terrorism antics and cool it with Israel. He gets to be the grand high poobah and that is all he cares about...he is not a religious zealot.
He'd just as soon kill Jihadi's as not, I'd give him the chance.
I would have done exactly the same with Saddam and that would have kept Iran in their box.
I'm concerned with US interests, Nation building in the Mid East is akin to Gay conception....with the same outcome.