03-05-2013, 17:16
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P Mags?
Just got my email from Magpul confirming my eligibility to buy mags direct from them. So I'm getting ready to dsend in my order. I've always used windowless M3s. Any distinct advantage to the windowed M2, and are they as durable?
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03-05-2013, 17:46
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The Gen 2 Pmags had issues with releasing from some magazine wells. The Gen3 pmags eliminated that problem.
FYI -There is somewhat of a growing movement to boycot Magpul as a result of them offering pmags to cops ahead of everyone else. To include those in ban states.
There is a pretty good discussion on this over at SOCNET. Name of the thread is 'Don't Buy From Magpul'. Seems to have pretty good support.
For what it's worth, I like my pmags, but will probably not buy anymore. There are other companies that make pretty good polymer mags. Tango Down comes to mind.
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03-05-2013, 18:12
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Originally Posted by 69harley
The Gen 2 Pmags had issues with releasing from some magazine wells. The Gen3 pmags eliminated that problem.
FYI -There is somewhat of a growing movement to boycot Magpul as a result of them offering pmags to cops ahead of everyone else. To include those in ban states.
There is a pretty good discussion on this over at SOCNET. Name of the thread is 'Don't Buy From Magpul'. Seems to have pretty good support.
For what it's worth, I like my pmags, but will probably not buy anymore. There are other companies that make pretty good polymer mags. Tango Down comes to mind.
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That's BS in my opinion.
Magpul has stated they will move from Colorado and take the jobs with them if the 15 round mag limit passes the legislature despite the amendment inserted to try to molklify them by stateing the hicap mags can be manufactured in Colorado but not sold here.. They are selling mags direct to Colorado residents right now and bypassing retailers. I'll stand behind them. They're a good company.
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03-05-2013, 19:50
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From the Magpul website
NEWS
01-Mar-13 22:35
Regarding LEO Sales
March 1st, 2013
Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession.
The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state.
With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.
Richard Fitzpatrick
President/CEO - Founder
Magpul Industries
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03-05-2013, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Utah Bob
That's BS in my opinion.
Magpul has stated they will move from Colorado and take the jobs with them if the 15 round mag limit passes the legislature despite the amendment inserted to try to molklify them by stateing the hicap mags can be manufactured in Colorado but not sold here.. They are selling mags direct to Colorado residents right now and bypassing retailers. I'll stand behind them. They're a good company.
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Did you read their previous statement? That one made allot of people mad and got the attention of Magpul. Now this. What oath and who are they swearing it to, how is it enforced? They are waffling.
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03-05-2013, 22:19
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Thanks ND. I wasn't aware of the SOCNET controversy. Personally, I'm satisfied with the explanation contained in the notice you reposted. I will continue to purchase Magpul products.
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03-05-2013, 22:23
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So you are OK with Magpul saying they will eventually resume selling pmags to LEO in ban states once they have a system in place for cops to swear some allegiance to support the 2a?
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03-05-2013, 23:39
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Oh fuggit. Nevermind 
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03-06-2013, 09:02
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Any distinct advantage to the windowed M2.....
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In my experience, not much. I have both and only about 8-9 or 10 rounds are visible in the window so once it goes light in weight, it's not like you can check to see if you have 2 or 4 rounds left.
I still buy them when I can just because I can see if it is full or a few rounds short.
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03-06-2013, 10:08
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Harley, for what it is worth, they are selling to individual LEO and not to the state. Stop the madness!!!
Shhhheeeessssssshhhhhhh.
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03-06-2013, 16:35
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So you are OK with Magpul saying they will eventually resume selling pmags to LEO in ban states once they have a system in place for cops to swear some allegiance to support the 2a?
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Yup, since they're relying on one's personal honor to make the system work. If you want to boycott Magpul, feel free...more mags for me (while I still can).
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03-06-2013, 18:57
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PMags for all! They will continue to get my full support and business
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03-06-2013, 21:30
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So you are OK with Magpul saying they will eventually resume selling pmags to LEO in ban states once they have a system in place for cops to swear some allegiance to support the 2a?
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Yes. Sometimes "good enough" will have to do. And I'm not even going to insist they become "Oathkeepers". (Ridiculous concept BTW - if the individual's original oath to "uphold and defend" isn't adequate, why does anyone expect another oath layered on top to be any more effective.) Besides - They're selling to individual officers, not their agencies. And IIRC the recent NY law prohibits LEOs from owning hicap mags too.
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03-06-2013, 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 69harley
Did you read their previous statement? That one made allot of people mad and got the attention of Magpul. Now this. What oath and who are they swearing it to, how is it enforced? They are waffling.
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It is a tough position to be in and it appears Mr Fitzpatrick is handling it in a manner that respects the 2A and individual rights.
Feel free to take your business elsewhere. I am sure there are quite a few of us who are more than happy with their stance at this time.
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03-06-2013, 21:45
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LE agencies are not like the military, most patrol officers buy their own duty rifles and mags. By selling to individual LEOs, Magpul is in effect selling to LE agencies.
I am really surprised at the attitude towards Magpul on this forum. Admittedly, SOCNET is not PS.com, but there are some pretty smart guys over there. Their discussion on this is several pages long and has a very different tone.
I agree that part about the oath from Magpul is weak.
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