Students suspended for stopping gunman-FL news

[MK262MOD1]

http://www.fox4now.com/news/local/194396721.html

Students wrestle pistol away from Gunman threatening fellow student, saving his live and then they are suspended.

Really, is this where society is going?

Pathetic

[DarkFungus]

Ridiculous. Heads caged inside of their own assholes.

[MtnGoat]

North Carolina has this same kind of rules. Your kid is in a fight and doesn't hit back. They are suspended for fighting. No questions.. done.. suspended for 2 or 3 days.

Yes we are making weaker Americans. If I could have home schooled or private school, I would have. Sad state of affairs of public school systems are going into.

[Scimitar]

My reading of it, is that the suspension is automatic for multiple good reasons.

Until a full investigation has been carried out, who knows how each student was ACTUALLY involved.

Instant suspension means far lesser chance of any of the participants, right or wrong, ending up being in the same local as each other and ending up in an all too common secondary incident.

Bad reporting...plenty of holes...typical

S

[Maytime]

I understand the concept of instant suspensions for fighting participants. This was not a typical "boys will be boys" type of altercation, however. Lives were at stake, and the young men who took action instead of accepting their fate as victims should be applauded for their initiative.

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Bullshit IMHO. It isnt always that cut and dried. What ever happend to peoples critical thinking skills? These are the people teaching out youth and they can not use critical thinking skills and see the rules are not relevant in this case?

As Earl Pitts says, "WAKE UP AMERICA!" As one that has traveled and worked (read as in SF) in ~20 countries, we are seeing the regression of these critical thinking skills to the levels in those third world countries. The third world, and our, countries educators do not want problem solvers, they want government dependence. Critical thinkers are independent problem solvers, not sheeple. They want sheeple. They do not teach or practice these vital critical thinking skills but instead teach rote.

[TrapLine]

Ridiculous. I guess he did steal a chance for the gun grabbers to scream about the children.

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Bullshit IMHO. It isnt always that cut and dried. What ever happend to peoples critical thinking skills? These are the people teaching out youth and they can not use critical thinking skills and see the rules are not relevant in this case?

Did you miss the part of the story that said he refused to cooperate with the investigation?

[MK262MOD1]

Originally Posted by Scimitar

My reading of it, is that the suspension is automatic for multiple good reasons.

Until a full investigation has been carried out, who knows how each student was ACTUALLY involved.

Instant suspension means far lesser chance of any of the participants, right or wrong, ending up being in the same local as each other and ending up in an all too common secondary incident.

Bad reporting...plenty of holes...typical

S

Instant suspensions are rarely productive. I want kids that can think/act and not be cowed into inaction by policy.

As for reporters well, no disagreement there.

[Richard]

Seems the kids were suspended for 'not co-operating with the investigation', not that they necessarily did anything wrong in disarming the kid with the gun.

Scimatar's comments were accurate as far as why such actions may be necessary when something like this happens at a school.

Richard

[nousdefions]

Several years back, when my son was in middle school, he received a 3 day suspension for fighting. I spoke with the assistant principal, with my son present, and he acknowledged that the other boy was a known bully. I asked why was my son suspended if the offender was a known bully. He said that they had a "zero-tolerance" rule for fighting. I calmly explained that my son doesn't start fight, but that he finishes fights. He wouldn't look me in the eye after that and apologized and said there was nothing that he could do about it.

Since when did "zero-tolerance" (of evil) become "zero-tolerance" (of responsibility)?

p.s. here it is almost 12 years later and it still pisses me off.
God help our Republic.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by nousdefions

Several years back, when my son was in middle school, he received a 3 day suspension for fighting. I spoke with the assistant principal, with my son present, and he acknowledged that the other boy was a known bully. I asked why was my son suspended if the offender was a known bully. He said that they had a "zero-tolerance" rule for fighting. I calmly explained that my son doesn't start fight, but that he finishes fights. He wouldn't look me in the eye after that and apologized and said there was nothing that he could do about it.

Since when did "zero-tolerance" (of evil) become "zero-tolerance" (of responsibility)?

p.s. here it is almost 12 years later and it still pisses me off.
God help our Republic.

We had the same experience with our son at the local middle school.

He got jumped and pounded, and he got a week of ISS. This was about the third time, invariably when the adult supervision was elsewhere doing other things.

The princicpal said that if he had hit back, he would have been sent home for a week.

The other kid got a week at home, and after several other altercations, a trip to the special school for thugs.

I told him to hit back and hit hard next time, and I would support his move 100%. No need to get your ass kicked because some bureaucrat told you not to fight back.

TANJ.

TR

[Joker]

My then 15-y.o. daughter was being bullied by a boy in her JROTC class at the Retiring of the Colors. He got in her face, calling her names, yelling at her, and daring her to do something. She broke his nose, got a week of suspension, and when mommy pressed charges, arrested, which were dropped when the judge and state attorneys saw the witness statements. Oh, big man doesn't bully anyone anymore and the daughter graduated HS early.

[Richard]

Back to the kid in the Fort Myers HS - suspension is not always a form of "punishment" - as with this case, it can also be used by a school as a form or "house arrest" pending the result of a serious investigation whose outcome is TBD. I used it on occasion, although we called it a "furlough" to aid in our record keeping and the perception students/families/faculty have when the word "suspension" is used.

That being said, I don't understand the school district's failure to be aggressively proactive with this and use the media to help defer all the speculation, especially in today's "OMG GUNS!" environment, by releasing an immediate statement to the public and on the school's parent alert network, something along the lines of:

There was a serious incident today on one of our school buses in which a high school student, for as yet unknown reasons, threatened another student with a gun. Other students nearby took action and secured the gun before anybody was harmed. The matter was immediately reported to the police and they are investigating. As a precautionary measure in accordance with district policy, the students involved in the incident have been suspended from participating in any school activities pending a preliminary appraisal of the extent of their involvement based upon the investigation and any further actions which may then be deemed necessary. We appreciate your concerns and cooperation as we work through this especially disconcerting matter, and will do our utmost to keep the community apprised of the status of our efforts to resolve it as expeditiously as possible.

The rumor mill runs rampant when something like this happens and the normal levels of dramarama among students, faculty, and families increases exponentially, depending upon the type of incident and who was involved. Not saying anything about it just increases the angst and rumors, and the reason why we always released as much information as we legally could as soon as possible.

And so it goes...

Richard

Much ado about nothing!