02-06-2004, 15:26
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18Xers
I would be interested in knowing why.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-06-2004, 16:45
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I would have to state the obvious reason of wanting to serve my country, but that goes for anybody who joins the military, even if it is to be a cook or something of that nature. For me, it took a lot more than that.
I really consider the work that you gentlemen are doing to be extremely important, especially given the current world situation. I'm not really talking about the "kicking down the doors" aspect of the job, but the solid relationships that get built by A-Teams in foreign countries, whether its in Columbia or Afghanistan. I think that it can do a lot as far as how other people view the U.S.
It also comes out of a desire to work with the best soldiers there are, because if and when things do get hairy, it’s nice to know that the guys on either side of you know what they're doing. In addition to that, I also want to know that I have the best training there is.
I'm also the type of person that likes a challenge. I've never failed at anything that I dedicated myself to 100% and I don't plan on failing at this, but only time (and maybe The Reaper) will tell if I have what it takes.
I hope that explains it, I could go on for a lot longer, but I don't want to ramble too much.
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02-06-2004, 17:32
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jleary,
I think that's a pretty good answer. Good luck.
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02-06-2004, 19:18
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A-Teams in foreign countries, whether its in Columbia
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Columbia is not in a foreign country, its in Manhatten, NYC, NY, USA.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-06-2004, 20:51
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Columbia is not in a foreign country, its in Manhatten, NYC, NY, USA.
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Dooooh! Also South Carolina.
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02-07-2004, 00:13
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Columbia is not in a foreign country, its in Manhatten, NYC, NY, USA.
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I'm from Manhattan, and if you don't think it's a foreign place, you need to go live there!!
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02-07-2004, 08:28
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I'm from Manhattan, and if you don't think it's a foreign place, you need to go live there!!
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Manhattan, Kansas, or New York?
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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02-07-2004, 08:42
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Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, NY, NY
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02-08-2004, 15:51
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Originally posted by The Reaper
Dooooh! Also South Carolina.
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DAMMIT!
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02-09-2004, 06:21
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...try Bud Dry
I guess like most ignorants out there, I've held the stigma of "the Snake-eater." The bad-ass, Rambo, take-no-names-and-definitely-no-prisoners killer-guy. When I decided I was going to join, my first choice was an easy one: Army. Then, where in the Army?
Well, I've never really been "average" so-to speak, at anything I did, and I wasn't going to start now. I had always wanted to "be a Ranger," so that was where I looked first. Sounds like a hoot, and I was 'this close' to going with an Option 40. (The 18X was something I very briefly looked over and decided "those guys" or "that" wasn't really me. How little I knew.) My recruiter said it'd be easier getting an 18X than a RIP contract, so, naturally and naively, I believed him. But first, I needed to go research...
Holy Mother of God was I wrong. If everything I've read about an SF soldier is correct, and I like to think so, then this is DEFINITELY for me. I've always strived to be as well-rounded and good at anything I do, and you guys seem to embody that. The Renaissance Man, if you will (not Danny DeVito). You're not like (pardon me) most Marines who's claim to "guard Heavens Gates" is taken literally, and thus, spoken about routinely. (Most of you) seem to be rather humble, and I find comfort in that. Theres no need to brandy about with what you've done, what you would or will do. I like that.
You take pride in what you do. You do it knowing there won't be a parade or TV interview or magazine cover waiting. And you do it (partially?) because of that.
ODAs are very tight-knit groups. Sure, you could probably say that about lots of infantry units, but there is just something different. How often does a "typical" Cpt. help dig and get dirty with his men?
Damn, sorry to ramble.... Basically, from my readings, I think my personality fits. I'm not the best at anything, but I'm pretty good at everything. :rolleyes: I'm intelligent, physically able, motivated, selfless/generous, patient, ...... blah blah blah. I feel like I'm writing a personal.. Anyway...
WeDoc asked why: because it fits, and I can do it.
P.S. Oh ya, and that whole, "love my family, friends and country and want to serve for them," yadda yadda... ;)
sine pari
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02-10-2004, 15:47
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It took about a year to decide to join the military in any capacity. Growing up, the military was never presented as a viable option for me, (parents used to be hippies) so when I started considering it, I wanted to make sure it was the Right thing for me to do. Once the decision to join was made, I started looking at what jobs interested me. Doors were opened that I didn't even know were there and The more I looked into SF the more I saw it as the perfect fit for me. Even the term "Quiet Professional" speaks of what I want to exemplify as a solider. I really respect doing something incredible without the feeling the need to tell people about it. There's more to it than that, but I should get back to my current job...
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02-10-2004, 16:24
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Well, I'm not 18X - thanks to the Army's boneheaded policy towards prior-service - but I think the idea is the same...
I am an idealist.
There is an image that is indellibly carved into my memory. It is an image of a girl about my age. She was someone's daughter - probably someone's girlfriend or wife - maybe a mother. She was in the open noon of her life, with every opportunity afforded by the blessing of American freedom at her disposal. She was probably a professional, and had probably studied hard and worked long hours to have the happiness that was probably a big part of her life. She worked for a company that made other people's lives richer, and earned her keep not by preying on others but by mutual trade for mutual benefit. She was probably pretty, or at least I imagine she was. She probably had a benevolent smile. She probably got together with girl friends once a week to watch a favorite TV show. She probably had a dog-eared favorite novel she kept in her nighstand. She probably hated scary movies, and loved high romance. She was probably a terrific, young, American girl enjoying her life.
The image I have is of her tumbling peacefully, slowly, head-over-heels, her head arched back and her eyes closed in tragic resignation to so much that was possible. She is falling against the backdrop of the WTC, that majestic monument to man's mind and human acheivement that exists now only as an apparation in our memories and on memorial walls. She is falling for an aching eternity, over a thousand feet, having been forced by the craven evil of some sub-human beasts to make the final decision of her life: die burning in the conflagration that was now the World Trade Center, or cast herself down to a brutal death on the cold pavement over a thousand feet below. I will never - ever - forget that image.
Encapsulated in that event is the recognition that the things that died with that young woman that day, are the things I love in the world. Those are also the same things - wanting to be happy, successful, and free in this life - that many, many people in the world believe merits a death sentence.
I will not be their apologists.
I will not offer them succor nor extend them my sympathy.
In fact, until all those who did this and their sympathizers are hunted to extinction, then I am going to be fighting against them tooth and nail on every front: militarily, financially, and most importantly - intellectually. I refuse to live as anyone's unconquered slave. I will be no man's prey, and will not live a life of chronic anxiety haunted by the knowledge that tomorrow may be the day my life is swept away in one of their vicious plots. So long as this threat is real and imminent, I will not stick my head in the sand while these vermin plot and scheme. Those are my reasons. They are entirely selfish. It is because I love my life, that I will not stop until those who mean to revoke my right to enjoy it are so much rotting carrion. If the rest of America benefits by it, then it is just one of life's happy coincidences - mutual trade for mutual benefit.
As for why SF, because it is the top of the food chain. Because it is more of a thinking man's unit than any other I am aware of in the military, and I am of the opinion that the mind is always the most powerful weapon. I want to be among the best in this regard.
But if it were not SF, because of bureaucratic hurdles or some other barrier, then I would find the next best thing and do that. I have heard it said about airborne operations that it is just a means of insertion. To me, SF is just a means to accomplishing the goal of fighting against the evil that menaces everything I love - it just happens to be the best means I can identify.
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02-10-2004, 16:30
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I was tired of being on the sidelines. I watched the events after 9/11 unfold from a fixed post. That sucked. I promised myself on that post that I would do what I had to in order to get in the game. I can not think of a group of guys in this world I would be more proud to call teammate. I hope I have that opportunity and can be a contributor.
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02-10-2004, 16:43
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dd37,
Did you read that whole thread you just posted on in the pipeline?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-10-2004, 18:58
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Why indeed.
My father instilled a strong sense of duty and service to ones country in me from a young age. I often sit and stare at my father’s shadow box in my office. I look at the pictures of him as a young man serving a country to which he was an immigrant, pictures of him standing a top pillboxes overlooking the beaches at Normandy. There is a look of satisfaction on his face. I want what he had.
I find myself wishing I had enlisted many years ago instead of pursuing a career in the Fire Service and EMS. I have thoroughly enjoyed my life thus far. I have enjoyed giving of my time, energy, and in some cases blood to the people in my community, but it is time to move on. It is time to seek another challenge, to find another way to give back to my country. And like so many others I felt a sudden draw to military service as the result of 9.11.01.
In an effort to figure out what it was I wanted to enlist into I began looking into the 75 Ranger Regiment and Special Forces. I have never been an average guy and have never settled for being ordinary. It did not take me long at all to narrow it down to just one option. Special Forces affords me everything I am looking for. The types of missions, the caliber of men, the satisfaction that comes with knowing I am serving with the best, and the security and peace of mind that comes with knowing the men to my left and right are just as dedicated as I am to not being average or just meeting the standard.
In addition I look forward to bringing Infinite Justice to those responsible for causing the deaths of many of my fellow Americans in a way only Special Forces can, quietly but violently.
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