01-10-2013, 09:50
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Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
By Sarah Thompson, M.D.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingag...elfdefense.htm
A great read and explains much as well as gives great tools with which to discuss the topic with anti-gun folks. Well worth the read.
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01-10-2013, 09:59
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The quotes at the start of the article are unsettling by themself. Interesting article overall and a unique perspective. Thanks.
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01-10-2013, 10:02
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Police have no constitutional responsibility to protect individuals:
Warren v. District of Columbia (1981): Official police personnel and the
government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus
are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a
special relationship exists.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989): A state government agency's failure to
prevent child abuse by a custodial parent does not violate the child's right
to liberty for the purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States
Constitution
Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005): A town and its police department cannot be
sued for failing to enforce a restraining order
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01-10-2013, 19:15
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IMO, the article is distasteful. Dr. Thompson presents evaluations of persons who are not her patients that she's not examined in a clinical setting. MOO, she's counting on laypersons to accept her professional judgment and to not question the theoretical and ethical foundations of her polemic.
The use of psychology in this fashion is exceptionally uncivil. If one sanctions this type of "analysis" of participants in a debate over public policy, one opens the door to others evaluating one's own unconscious drives, needs, desires, and arcs of tension. (Examples include: the gun as a phallic symbol, the defense of the Second Amendment as a manifestation of turning against the self, and the concerns over gun control as a manifestation of castration anxiety.)
I question Dr. Thompson's presentation of empathy and corrective (emotional) experiences as appropriate tools for debate of a policy issue. If someone has a POV towards gun control (or any other issue) that strikes one as overly emotional, "irrational," and ill informed but that POV does not interfere with him/her living a self-efficacious life, the person doesn't need psychological intervention. Thompson's suggestion that it is all right to use two powerful theraputic tools for political purposes. That is, Dr. Thompson's piece is not disinterested guidance on how to facilitate a greater level understanding of people who want more gun control for the purpose of clearer communication and more productive debate, it is a ill-conceived "how to" on psychological manipulation.
My $0.02./YMMV.
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01-10-2013, 19:56
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WW*DP*D?
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01-10-2013, 20:13
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I remember this article from years ago.
The part that stuck in my mind:
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People who identify themselves as "victims" harbor excessive amounts of rage at other people, whom they perceive as "not victims".
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People with a victim mentality hate people who refuse to be victims.
They are shamed by reality.
The urge for gun control is a small part of that larger truth.
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01-10-2013, 20:41
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Maybe the issue is drugs?
Is Mental Health Care to Blame for School Shootings? Part One—Psychiatric Drugs
http://www.cchrint.org/2012/12/19/ne...ool-shootings/
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01-10-2013, 20:49
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Which comes first... the psychosis or the meds?
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01-10-2013, 22:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba
IMO, the article is distasteful. Dr. Thompson presents evaluations of persons who are not her patients that she's not examined in a clinical setting. MOO, she's counting on laypersons to accept her professional judgment and to not question the theoretical and ethical foundations of her polemic.
The use of psychology in this fashion is exceptionally uncivil. If one sanctions this type of "analysis" of participants in a debate over public policy, one opens the door to others evaluating one's own unconscious drives, needs, desires, and arcs of tension. (Examples include: the gun as a phallic symbol, the defense of the Second Amendment as a manifestation of turning against the self, and the concerns over gun control as a manifestation of castration anxiety.)
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I agree!
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01-10-2013, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
When Prozac, the first of the new anti depressants first came out there were studies and cases where people that did not have violent tendencies before became violent to the point of murder, mass killings etc. The drug companies covered that up right away and sponsored studies that showed the results were inconclusive about the relationship of violence in some people and the medication. I worked in the medical field at the time.
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Tell me about it. Going cold turkey after taking 150mg Zoloft daily for 2 years was one of the worst things I've experienced in my life. Prescription depression, and anxiety meds are handed out to the masses like candy. I was have delusions before I stopped taking the meds (see the quit chewing thread) Hearing things, even seeing things occasionally. There's no doubt in my mind I was crazy.
Pharm companies will continue to rule our government until We The People decide we've had enough. I cannot tell you how many times I thought about killing myself and I'm so glad I didn't. If anyone out there is reading this feeling the same way, you have to power through it. The problems you have can be worked out so many better ways and the sooner you stop taking pills the better. I am not a doctor, so talk to a Psychiatrist before you think about discontinuing use of your medicine. It's just my opinion that most people who are taking medicine don't need it. They need more exercise, a healthier lifestyle, and more people to talk to.
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01-10-2013, 23:56
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Originally Posted by Lan
Pharm companies will continue to rule our government until We The People decide we've had enough.
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What's to stop Big Pharma from devising chemicals to put in the water supply to ensure that the people remain complacent and subservient?
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01-11-2013, 04:39
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Distasteful?
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Originally Posted by Sigaba
IMO, the article is distasteful. Dr. Thompson presents evaluations of persons who are not her patients that she's not examined in a clinical setting. .....................
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Distasteful?
The shooting and the issue of "needed" gun control has brought forth some interesting comments from some normal people I thought I knew.
Their "evaluations" of people who own assault rifles dipped into the obscene. When I mentioned I was one of those folks it was like "Yep, You're one of them." This was all before I read the article.
As I read the article I was like ' "Man, that's them to a "T" ".
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01-11-2013, 11:51
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Originally Posted by Sigaba
What's to stop Big Pharma from devising chemicals to put in the water supply to ensure that the people remain complacent and subservient?
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Don't mistake my disdain of corporate interests for lunacy and don't patronize me.
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01-11-2013, 15:21
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Originally Posted by Lan
Tell me about it. Going cold turkey after taking 150mg Zoloft daily for 2 years was one of the worst things I've experienced in my life. Prescription depression, and anxiety meds are handed out to the masses like candy. I was have delusions before I stopped taking the meds (see the quit chewing thread) Hearing things, even seeing things occasionally. There's no doubt in my mind I was crazy.
Pharm companies will continue to rule our government until We The People decide we've had enough. I cannot tell you how many times I thought about killing myself and I'm so glad I didn't. If anyone out there is reading this feeling the same way, you have to power through it. The problems you have can be worked out so many better ways and the sooner you stop taking pills the better. I am not a doctor, so talk to a Psychiatrist before you think about discontinuing use of your medicine. It's just my opinion that most people who are taking medicine don't need it. They need more exercise, a healthier lifestyle, and more people to talk to.
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While they are certainly a multibillion dollar business with significant infuence, I don't know that I'm convinced they rule the government.
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01-11-2013, 15:26
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While they are certainly a multibillion dollar business with significant infuence, I don't know that I'm convinced they rule the government.
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That's because YOU'RE not listening to the voices in your head! Mine speak French, which I don't undrstand, so they don't bother me.
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