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Old 10-25-2004, 08:56   #1
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380 tons of HMX & RDX gone from Al Qaqaa. That's alot of IED's

October 25, 2004

TRACKING THE WEAPONS

Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq

By JAMES GLANZ, WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 24 - The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, make missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Sunday. United Nations weapons inspectors had monitored the explosives for many years, but White House and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished sometime after the American-led invasion last year.


A Lost Stockpile

Two weeks ago, on Oct. 10, Dr. Mohammed J. Abbas of the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology wrote a letter to the I.A.E.A. to say the Qaqaa stockpile had been lost. He added that his ministry had judged that an "urgent updating of the registered materials is required."

A chart in his letter listed 341.7 metric tons, about 377 American tons, of HMX, RDX and PETN as missing.

The explosives missing from Al Qaqaa are the strongest and fastest in common use by militaries around the globe. The Iraqi letter identified the vanished stockpile as containing 194.7 metric tons of HMX, which stands for "high melting point explosive," 141.2 metric tons of RDX, which stands for "rapid detonation explosive," among other designations, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, which stands for "pentaerythritol tetranitrate." The total is roughly 340 metric tons or nearly 380 American tons

Five days later, on Oct. 15, European diplomats said, the arms agency wrote the United States mission in Vienna to forward the Iraqi letter and ask that the American authorities inform the international coalition in Iraq of the missing explosives

Dr. ElBaradei, a European diplomat said, is "extremely concerned" about the potentially "devastating consequences" of the vanished stockpile.

Its fate remains unknown. Glenn Earhart, manager of an Army Corps of Engineers program in Huntsville, Ala., that is in charge of rounding up and destroying lost Iraqi munitions, said he and his colleagues knew nothing of the whereabouts of the Qaqaa stockpile.

Administration officials say Iraq was awash in munitions, including other stockpiles of exotic explosives.

"The only reason this stockpile was under seal," said one senior administration official, "is because it was located at Al Qaqaa," where nuclear work had gone on years ago.

As a measure of the size of the stockpile, one large truck can carry about 10 tons, meaning that the missing explosives could fill a fleet of almost 40 trucks.

By weight, these explosives pack far more destructive power than TNT, so armies often use them in shells, bombs, mines, mortars and many types of conventional ordinance.

"HMX and RDX have a lot of shattering power," said Dr. Van Romero, vice president for research at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, or New Mexico Tech, which specializes in explosives.

"Getting a large amount is difficult," he added, because most nations carefully regulate who can buy such explosives, though civilian experts can sometimes get licenses to use them for demolition and mining.

An Immediate Danger

A special property of HMX and RDX lends them to smuggling and terrorism, experts said. While violently energetic when detonated, they are insensitive to shock and physical abuse during handling and transport because of their chemical stability. A hammer blow does nothing. It takes a detonator, like a blasting cap, to release the stored energy.

Experts said the insensitivity made them safer to transport than the millions of unexploded shells, mines and pieces of live ammunition that litter Iraq. And its benign appearance makes it easy to disguise as harmless goods, easily slipped across borders.

"The immediate danger" of the lost stockpile, said an expert who recently led a team that searched Iraq for deadly arms, "is its potential use with insurgents in very small and powerful explosive devices. The other danger is that it can easily move into the terrorist web across the Middle East."

More worrisome to the I.A.E.A. - and to some in Washington - is that HMX and RDX are used in standard nuclear weapons design. In a nuclear implosion weapon, the explosives crush a hollow sphere of uranium or plutonium into a critical mass, initiating the nuclear explosion.

A crude implosion device - like the one that the United States tested in 1945 in the New Mexican desert and then dropped on Nagasaki, Japan - needs about a ton of high explosive to crush the core and start the chain reaction.Full Story
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Old 10-25-2004, 13:58   #2
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Oh, I get it. NY Times, John Kerry campaign rhetoric. I gotta pay more attention.

As you were.
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Old 10-25-2004, 15:13   #3
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Wouldn't that description make it a "weapon of mass destruction"?

Only a lot of IEDs if you don't use it all at once.

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Old 10-25-2004, 15:59   #4
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340 metric tons, all at once? That hadn't occured to me as a possibility. I was thinking more along the lines of suitcases, backpacks, Toyotas, Ryder vans etc.

The story was kind of shocking to me in that it is a lot of ordinance. You could sure raise a lot of hell with a quantity like that.

As the morning went on I realized that this story went out over the weekend and is something the Kerry campaign was pushing as incompetence on the part of President Bush.

Which doesn't make the idea of such a large quantity of exposives any less unnerving.
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Old 10-25-2004, 22:34   #5
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Well it looks like the Kerry Campaign was fooled. The explosives were missing before the invasion. Now the Kerry campaign is accusing the Bush admin of covering it up with news organizations.

http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw.htm
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Old 10-25-2004, 22:37   #6
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Gits, Well done home boy.
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Old 10-26-2004, 00:06   #7
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It's sort of a non-issue anyway. It's not as if there is a shortage of unexpended 152mm Artillery Shells in country, which convieniently come with their own ready to modify fuzes and built in fragmentation. It seems to me the bad guys have been using them with some success. I seriously doubt that they're sitting around saying "Boy, I sure wish we didn't have to use these 152mm purpose built man-killers, I sure wish I had some plastic explosives because they're much more high speed."

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Old 10-26-2004, 09:36   #8
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See-BS, caught again. http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm
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Old 10-26-2004, 09:53   #9
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Looks like the Kerry capaign has no October suprise, its time for Bush to finish off Kerry with his if he has one. I cant beleive this Kerry is still bashing Bush this morning over those explosives. Bush needs to call out on Kerry.

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Only a lot of IEDs if you don't use it all at once.

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Makes a lot of VBIEDs/car-bombs.
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Old 10-26-2004, 10:49   #11
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Leave it to the media to try to make a story where there was none, to benefit their favored candidate.

Where is the coverage of Kerry personally lying about his meeting with the entire Security Counsel?

I would like to see a media bomb dropped on Kerry later this week, maybe from his taxes, criminal history, or unreleased military record. Hell, you wouldn't even have to make it up, I am sure that there is plenty of factual negative info out there. Of course, given the difficulty of getting the Sinclair piece out, I am sure that it would get little play. Better to start it with the bloggers and let it catch fire.

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Old 10-26-2004, 11:53   #12
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From the National Review Online

Hopefully one of the many demo experts here can verify the veracity of the following:

A key point is that this is not dense stuff, where you can get a lot of weight into a small vehicle. If this was really in its raw form, it is white powder, like cornstarch or a light powdered sugar (NOT granulated sugar). Blow on it and it flies in the breeze- the stories I've seen haven't said much about what form it was in, but you would want it to be relatively raw so you could form it into main charges for artillery, etc. They don't pour granules into shells, it is mixed with binders and melted sonit will take a shape. You can't be a nice terrorist, happen by, stick some in your pocket, and run away while the US Army isn't looking- it isn't "plastic" (like, say, comp C4, which is a plastic matrix impregnated with HE, thus has a lot of filler to make it shapeable). The kinds of trucks you would need to haul it are like grain hoppers, and lots of them. You can't stack it on pallets.

That is why the nonsense about vandals running off with the stuff is just that — nonsense.

The issue, as always with explosives, is not HE- it is how to get the stuff to blow up. You can hit compressed RDX or HMX with a hammer and not set it off. And you can properly detonate ammonium nitrate fertilizer, as was done at the Oklahoma City Federal building by McVeigh et al, and have a disaster. You can also detonate wheat dust in a rural grain elevator and re-create the bombing of the African embassies.

The reason that old artillery ammunition is desired for creation of IEDs is not that it has high explosive in it, it is because those rounds have fuzes, lead cups, and boosters- the full fire train needed to make HE go "boom". Remember your fireplace- you need to start with a match, then crumpled newspaper, add twigs when they are roaring effectively, then sticks, then small branches, etc. Trying to do something useful with pure HMX or RDX is like trying to flick your BIC lighter at a 20 pound pure oak log. It will be a long time before you warm up. When I was waling around Holston Army Ammunition Plant one time, where the US manufactured its RDX and HMX, there were cloth laundry carts all over the place full of white powder that looked and felt like conrstarch. I wasn't in the least worried that if I tripped and fell against the cart I would be blown up.

The only way you make those 40 trucks crammed full of HE blow up is to set off an explosion near them. The Saddam drivers carrying them all to Syria and elsewhere in mid-March were probably smoking as they drove, with relative safety. Raw HE is easy to find- what is a challenge is making it controllably useful.
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Old 10-26-2004, 12:48   #13
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I'm just guessing but the material in question has probably gone the way of all the Yellow Cake.

The ordinance was probably dumped and the containers used to store food and water.
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I'm just guessing but the material in question has probably gone the way of all the Yellow Cake.

The ordinance was probably dumped and the containers used to store food and water.

I think it is probably safe to assume that both are in Syria as we speak. I can't see Saddam leaving them laying around like that. Just like he did with his jets during the first gulf war I am sure they made there way out of the country before they were destroyed/captured.
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Old 10-26-2004, 15:04   #15
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Christ the Kerry campaign already has ads on these explosives, http://www.johnkerry.com/video/102604_obligation.html
This more proof that the bogus missing explosives story was meant to be the October Surprise of the Kerry campaign.
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