Do not break into others homes, in MN.

Destrier · 11-27-2012, 04:32

http://news.yahoo.com/minn-man-says-...183741818.html

miclo18d · 11-27-2012, 05:54

Wow! I fully support shooting criminals that break into your house armed or not (i.e. Castle Doc) but execution takes it a few steps far. Also, first rule when talking to police is have a lawyer present. Even cops get to have a lawyer after they have shot someone in the line of duty. This guy described the shooting like a serial killer. I was actually surprised he didn't say he ate pieces of them.

Streck-Fu · 11-27-2012, 08:18

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But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas Brady's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very long time."

"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not right."

2 wrongs do not make a right. How about we start with those kids not B&E in the first place....They wouldn't be dead if, simply, they were not there.

Part two after shooting someone in your home, call the police and shut the F up.

JimP · 11-27-2012, 08:27

Man - I've been looking for a new bedtime story for the kids...I may have just found it.

Nothing like a happy ending to let them go to sleep all snuggly and peaceful.

Bottom line: Don't want to get killed? Don't commit crimes against armed citizens.

**Team Sergeant** · 11-27-2012, 10:13

While they "may" have broken into his house I don't believe the old guys story..... no 17 y/o girl is going down into a basement that she just heard shots fired and her friend scream.

Old guy just might be a serial killer.....

JimP · 11-27-2012, 10:19

OK - since we're getting all serious now, this cat is in a whole bunch of trouble. he failed to exercise proper target identification (shot at "torso's"); failed to properly articulate the threat; failed to notify authorities; utilized excessive force (used deadly force when "potential" threat had been eliminated); etc.

Not to mention that he appears to be lying about how this went down and setting up an ambush situation.

I have no issues with protecting the homestead. BUT...if you're going to play around with deadly force, you'd best know the rules and application(s).

miclo18d · 11-27-2012, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

While they "may" have broken into his house I don't believe the old guys story..... no 17 y/o girl is going down into a basement that she just heard shots fired and her friend scream.

Old guy just might be a serial killer.....

Good observation TS. It's not always what's written in the article, but sometimes what's not in it. Like IPB, the presence AND absence of something can be an indicator...

...why was he dragging theme around after shooting them? and waiting a day to report it to the cops... Sounds like what happens when people try to come up with a story.

Might want to check the house for clown paintings.

**Team Sergeant** · 11-27-2012, 12:39

Agree, I see a whole lot of questions regarding old guys "story" of what transpired. If you're in a life threatening situation, especially a "possible" gunfight you don't go and move (drag) bodies. Old guy states he shot the man with the Mini-14 and he fell down the stairs. He then pulls out a .22 and shoots him in the face. Old guy spent a lot of time moving between guns in the middle of a life threatening situation. If the Mini-14 was working why go to a .22? Getting shot in the waist would probably allow the man to yell and scream hence the shot to the head. Then after he kills the man, old guy expects me to believe a 18 y/o girl just walked down the same stairs only to get shot the same way? Mini-14 jams? And he goes back to a .22?

This sounds planned to me. You don't switch guns in a gun fight unless your primary is not working. This guy switched guns for pleasure. I really don't believe a word old guy says, including the break in.

And 24 hours later he called the police? Yeah that's normal. I would guess he somehow lured one of them into his house killed him or her and then lured the other into the house. I'm not buying that girl came down those stairs "minutes" after her friend was brutally murdered. Old guy is a lying bastard and I hope they fry him.

casey · 11-27-2012, 14:33

Guy is shot, falls down the steps, and is shot again in the face. Girl comes to the top of the steps, doesn't see any blood or drag marks, doesn't think its odd boyfriends not answering, and ....proceeds down same steps!?

If this were a horror movie, every democrat in the theatre would be jumping up and down screaming "don't go down the steps bitch"!!!!! from the top of their lungs......

I'm hoping these investigators did a rape-postmortem on both "burglars". I'm willing to bet that both, or at least one were not killed outright.

TacOfficer · 11-27-2012, 16:38

TS, you are right on the money. Lets play the scenario. You hear glass break, calling 911 would be the first option. If not already armed, you would do so. How about verbally challenging the intruder? Something simple like " Who's there?" or the ol' " Get the f--- out of my house!". Most burglars are property thieves. A home invasion is another animal all together. Ok so this individual/psycho lies in wait for an intruder, then ambushes one, and despite gun shots, and the sounds of a mortally wounded person we are expected to believe the second intruder just waltzes right into his sights. Sounds like he had a plan and followed it to the end without regard to the actual circumstances.

"Serial killers differ in many ways, including their motivations for killing and their behavior at the crime scene. However, attendees did identify certain traits common to some serial murderers, including sensation seeking, a lack of remorse or guilt, impulsivity, the need for control, and predatory behavior."
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu.../serial-murder

The method of his description of what happened added to the manner of his actions appear to fit the above traits.

Hope he burns, slowly.

**Team Sergeant** · 11-27-2012, 18:59

Actually calling 911 would be the last thing on my mind, even at 64. First I'd arm myself and then I would confront the threat, if the situation allows I'd dial 911 (I'm single) and drop the phone on the floor. Given where I'm standing at the moment I might yell that I am armed, but I don't know how to speak Spanish.

So the guy is in his basement and he has access to firearms. That in itself speaks volumes. Where do you keep readily accessible firearms? I know mine are not in the basement. As a DA I'd check to see if he has firearms down there, a safe etc. If not it might have been a setup.

I have access to a few firearms in my house, a .45 and a .223. I would never give up a .223 and use a .22 (or .45) in any situation if the .223 was working.

I've never heard of someone "downsizing" in a gunfight unless the primary weapon was not working. This guy changed guns (4 times) to kill slowly, deliberately and with pleasure.

**The Reaper** · 11-27-2012, 19:13

Not buying the story, and idiots like this (and claiming the Castle doctrine) are only providing ammunition to the anti-gunners out there.

TR

Richard · 11-27-2012, 19:29

I adhere to the WWWKD approach to such matters.**

Richard

** What Would Walt Kowalski Do?

TacOfficer · 11-27-2012, 20:04

Time permitting, I would call 911 first. It's been over-litigated here in the Socialist Republic of Chicago. ( "You had time to do xyz, but didn't bother to call 911?"). If the threat is imminent, absolutely defend oneself first. With respect and admiration of your experience, I won't touch the subject of tactics.

I can't speak to where a person chooses to store their firearms or why. Some households may have small children and the homeowner decides not to have them readily accessible. Wherever they may be stored, it certainly is part of the investigation.

"After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says."

The above is nothing but what can only be described as an execution. It is beyond setups, ambushes and the like. I would hazard to guess that he changed weapons to make it more personal or as you say "with pleasure". My feeling is that this guy is a monster that was just waiting for an excuse. Then again, it's quite possible he manufactured the whole story in an attempt to justify these killings. Either way, he deserves the maximum penalty.

Did I mention slowly?

Guy · 11-27-2012, 22:12

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Originally Posted by casey

Guy is shot, falls down the steps, and is shot again in the face. Girl comes to the top of the steps, doesn't see any blood or drag marks, doesn't think its odd boyfriends not answering, and ....proceeds down same steps!?

If this were a horror movie, every democrat in the theatre would be jumping up and down screaming "don't go down the steps bitch"!!!!! from the top of their lungs......

I'm hoping these investigators did a rape-postmortem on both "burglars". I'm willing to bet that both, or at least one were not killed outright.

God please forgive me because, I should not be LMMFAO!

BTW...I can understand shooting someone for breaking into your house however, this old-man went apeshit.

Stay safe.