Second Presidential Debate, 16 October 2012

BKKMAN · 10-16-2012, 20:22

Just wanted to start this thread since President Obama just said during the debate that he was going to look at reinstating an assault weapons ban...

Better get them while they're legal...

This thread is intended for a discussion about everything having to do with the debate.

ETA: Not really happy with the format because it seems like one person or the other gets left hanging because they each have two minutes and then there is a two minute discussion time that is being monopolized by whoever gets to speak first, which doesn't allow for a rebuttal

Red Flag 1 · 10-16-2012, 20:36

Obama did flair a bit over the topic of Embassy security. He never did answer the question asked about requests for increased security in Libya. I think Mitt missed that chance when he went after obama's address the next day.

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Oldrotorhead · 10-16-2012, 20:38

Already ordered, LaRue NEEDS to start working OT. He can talk about a ban but I don't believe Congress will make it law. I didn't really like Romney's answer that he compromised in MA to ban "assault weapons" either.

" WHEN MY Grandfather fought in WWII."..........and my other Grandfather fought for the Mau Mau. Using Grandfathers is non-issue either way. Every male member of my family that was of age in WWII served. Neither Romney or Obama served in the military and that is more pertinent to me.

Skelepede · 10-16-2012, 20:53

So by my approximation President Obama wants to supply weapons to cartels, but ban weapons for college students. I find it very strange he used the Colorado shooting as the impetus to pushing through another assault weapons ban.

cbtengr · 10-16-2012, 20:54

If he is reelected he is not going to need congress he will have the almighty executive order. I was one of many who purchased additional firearms and ammunition after the 08 election I admit it was reactionary but I have begun to fear my government which is something I never did before the annointed one was elected. Obama will be a lot scarier if he is retained. His performance tonight certainly did not improve his standing with me, and how anyone could be undecided at this point is beyond me.

35NCO · 10-16-2012, 21:01

I have to say the fact that the president even mentioned a "assault" weapons ban was huge. I think that could be a election changer in itself. The cats out of the bag on that one. At least he was finally honest about something.

However, I do agree that Romney was very careful to not really go one way or the other on his opinion. I do not trust him fully on the gun control issue either, but I would much rather have him as my president than any more Obama at all. If I have to trade a scare on Gun Control with Romney over Obama, well its Romney all the way for me at this point.

Further Gun Control issues and that nonsense are important to me, but my country is currently more important to me as a whole on the much bigger issues.

frostfire · 10-16-2012, 21:02

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Already ordered, LaRue NEEDS to start working OT.

I've been a walking advertisement for LaRue products for over a year here, so I will take partial blame for the increased wait time. PredatOBR I presume?

Obama sure has an amazing rhetorical skill...fully covering the entire pathos-ethos-logos spectrum. I'm not surprised at all that anyone not paying close attention to the "changes" these past for years would fall for it.

Just saw facebook posting by HS student I used to mentor and now she's voting for the first time. Needless to say, her choice reflects the presidential popularity contest 4 years ago. I am dissapointed

...but at least she watched the entire debate, exercises her right, and not a bystander

MtnGoat · 10-16-2012, 21:03

I don’t see Gov Romney’s coming off as well as the first debate. He did go..BUT.

I would have liked to hear him say something along the lines of. I have a record that I can run on, four years ago you voted on someone that had no record. I ask you to go back and look at the last four years and ask yourself if you voted correctly.
POTUS came off looking ten times better, but Hell who wouldn’t after hanging your head down for 73 mins out of 90mins?? All of us would.

Let the Spin rooms and MSM run a mess for the next week.

Romney is still a really impressive debater. It's a fight this time, at least Obama came out to debate.

Sigaba · 10-16-2012, 21:09

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ETA: Not really happy with the format because it seems like one person or the other gets left hanging because they each have two minutes and then there is a two minute discussion time that is being monopolized by whoever gets to speak first, which doesn't allow for a rebuttal

Agreed. The format was a baited trap for both candidates to complain about unequal time. Unfortunately, Govern Romney navigated the trap less skillfully than the president--he gave the impression of not knowing the rules of the game.

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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1

[The president] did flare a bit over the topic of Embassy security. He never did answer the question asked about requests for increased security in Libya. I think Mitt missed that chance when he went after [the president's] address the next day.

RF 1

Agreed. I also think Romney got very flustered when Ms. Crowley agreed with the president that he had called the incident an act of terror.

My thought is that Romney either did not read the speech for himself or simply misremembered.

blue02hd · 10-16-2012, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

Agreed. The format was a baited trap for both candidates to complain about unequal time. Unfortunately, Govern Romney navigated the trap less skillfully than the president--he gave the impression of not knowing the rules of the game.Agreed. I also think Romney got very flustered when Ms. Crowley agreed with the president that he had called the incident an act of terror.

My thought is that Romney either did not read the speech for himself or simply misremembered.

Easy mistake to make, especially after the UN speech. IMO, Obama is trying to have it both ways,,,

Sigaba · 10-16-2012, 21:23

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Easy mistake to make, especially after the UN speech. IMO, Obama is trying to have it both ways,,,

Absolutely agree.

IMO, Governor Romney's campaign has mishandled the attacks from the jump and he did himself no favors tonight.

Oldrotorhead · 10-16-2012, 21:27

"I've been a walking advertisement for LaRue products for over a year here, so I will take partial blame for the increased wait time. PredatOBR I presume?"

No got that in 7.64 tAR, waiting in a 5.56 OBR. If I was really worried I'd be at Walmart for a Colt tomorrow.

Romney didn't give a warm and fuzzy feeling on this topic either.

They had a timer? They didn't use it. Both candidates should have been given a 10 or 15 second warning and then the mike should have been shut off.

Sigaba · 10-16-2012, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

They had a timer? They didn't use it. Both candidates should have been given a 10 or 15 second warning and then the mike should have been shut off.

FWIW, there were timers in the sight lines of both candidates that did give warnings as time wound down. And as both campaigns agreed to the format, it might be unrealistic to think either candidate would be put in a situation where his mic would be cut off.

Oldrotorhead · 10-16-2012, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

FWIW, there were timers in the sight lines of both candidates that did give warnings as time wound down. And as both campaigns agreed to the format, it might be unrealistic to think either candidate would be put in a situation where his mic would be cut off.

OK, they had timers and ignored them with no consequences after they both agreed to the format. I still think after the mike was shut off once or twice they both would have timed their statements much better. If they can't keep this simple agreement what are their promises worth to us peasants?

BKKMAN · 10-16-2012, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

FWIW, there were timers in the sight lines of both candidates that did give warnings as time wound down. And as both campaigns agreed to the format, it might be unrealistic to think either candidate would be put in a situation where his mic would be cut off.

I think Fox ended up with unofficial times of: Obama/43:57 and Romney/40:58

I agree that cutting off microphones would have led to "Mic-gate"...

I was unhappy that the moderator took it upon herself to interject herself into the debate during the Libya discussion...it is not a moderator's job to open his/her pie hole in defense of either debate participant...

For example: if either candidate wanted to stand up there during the debate and argue that he would have unicorns on every street corner in America blowing rainbow farts at passing traffic to improve air quality, it would not be the moderator's job to say, "There are no such thing as unicorns!". It would be within his/her purview to ask follow-up questions...like "How would you pay for all the unicorns?" or "What do rainbows smell like?...